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Wed Dec 18, 2024, 02:49 PM

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Pelosi Won. The Democratic Party Lost. [View all] Celerity Dec 18 OP

In before the hide. Fiendish Thingy Dec 18 #1

Here is a breakdown on the Progressive Caucus and the New Democrat Coalition numbers Celerity Dec 18 #7

When I hear centrists/moderates are taking over the party, intheflow Dec 18 #12

Exactly Pelosi is moderate and centrist THAT IS THE PROBLEM IrishBubbaLiberal Dec 18 #32

... lapucelle Dec 19 #152

Centrists/moderates are less extreme corporatists Glaisne Dec 18 #50

JFK was a centrist Dem. But Republicans were moving farther wnylib Dec 18 #68

Thank you for the historical context. yellow dahlia Dec 18 #81

Thank you! I try to tell people that JFK was a moderate, but no one believes me! LeftInTX Dec 18 #120

This was a good roundup, thanks SpankMe Dec 19 #138

Changes do not all come at once. wnylib Dec 19 #148

In my thinking a Centrist in the Democratic Party has the same thought process as 1950's right wing. LiberalArkie Dec 19 #132

It doesn't matter if the CPC is in the minority Fiendish Thingy Dec 18 #22

I hope the CPC is able to have a good deal of impact going forward, I was only showing it may well be a not so friendly Celerity Dec 18 #27

We don't need centrists we need kacekwl Dec 18 #84

SMH? MadameButterfly Dec 19 #125

Democrats pretending to be GOP-Lite never succeed at policies or winning voters. ZonkerHarris Dec 18 #92

I worry about the party slightlv Dec 18 #108

It is the actual name: New Democrat Coalition. Similar in multiple ways to the now-gone DLC. Celerity Dec 18 #111

We've been railing against the right using noun like an adjective but now we're doing it? CrispyQ Dec 19 #141

I wager they use Democrat because of the term New Democrat Celerity Dec 19 #143

Thanks for the explanation but it just sounds wrong & CrispyQ Dec 19 #144

'liberal' in other nations most often means centre to centre-right: deregulation, free (not fair) trade, privatisation, Celerity Dec 19 #147

First she forces Biden to step down because of his age... Clouds Passing Dec 18 #11

Attendance is more important than ever, too. We cannot afford this stupid shit just because the gerontocracy is fucking Karasu Dec 18 #17

I am a member of the old folks club now and I want them to go home MuseRider Dec 18 #63

Absolutely. Also a member of the geezer club, but these folks need to look... the nelm Dec 18 #80

Exactly, time for Nancy to step down. She's older than Joe. Clouds Passing Dec 18 #83

Very well said. I completely agree. Karasu Dec 18 #87

Nancy is the most briliant and productive House Speaker ever MadameButterfly Dec 19 #126

She's made other missteps too Arazi Dec 18 #43

Few survive what he's got. IzzaNuDay Dec 18 #85

Wondering if they don't want someone effective that position. Clouds Passing Dec 18 #86

It's the corporatocracy that must go. Glaisne Dec 18 #45

Does this mean young Democrats...... SergeStorms Dec 18 #62

So, if I post a question or tweek a Democrat, I get a nasty note from 'yall but this is OK NotHardly Dec 18 #76

Just wanted to let you know that if you get 5 posts hidden Crunchy Frog Dec 18 #121

I wouldn't call that a "radical" move Bluetus Dec 18 #94

Which move are you saying isn't radical? Fiendish Thingy Dec 18 #95

I am saying I would not consider it at all "radical" Bluetus Dec 18 #96

Same here, in before the hide gay texan Dec 18 #2

Then if you want to bring in new people calguy Dec 19 #135

LOL! gay texan Dec 19 #137

There's so many of the Boomer Generation, and they live longer than ever before... Parallax El Dec 19 #139

K&R Think. Again. Dec 18 #3

Gods, me too! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 18 #29

Unfortunately I can see that very thing happening as well. If Pelosi, Jeffries, and Schumer put the kibosh on him behind Celerity Dec 18 #31

She needs to retire. Dawson Leery Dec 18 #4

She's 84 with a busted hip HereForTheParty Dec 18 #97

When opportunity presents itself you have to take advantage of it. I was really hoping this would be AOC's moment. walkingman Dec 18 #5

DuRec leftstreet Dec 18 #6

A truly important, important post Mike 03 Dec 18 #8

Kurt Bardella made a virtually identical argument last night on Mike 03 Dec 18 #9

What is up her a$$? Clouds Passing Dec 18 #10

Post removed Post removed Dec 18 #13

Another day another bunch of critics of Democrats. live love laugh Dec 18 #14

It's called discussion on a discussion board. Events happen, & they are discussed. If (as has every poster up until you) Celerity Dec 18 #18

Earl G Elessar Zappa Dec 18 #42

At 72 I have been an active dem for many years Lifeafter70 Dec 18 #99

When was it not time for the young ones to do the fighting? DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 18 #119

This train is running off the tracks, we need a new engineer. Bluethroughu Dec 18 #15

"History has tried hard to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Ping Tung Dec 18 #16

The USS Democracy just hit a very ancient iceberg and is going down fast. nt yaesu Dec 18 #19

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Not for dead women. onecaliberal Dec 18 #21

Who are the "dead women"? whathehell Dec 18 #35

The ones being denied healthcare at ERs. -nt CrispyQ Dec 18 #61

I understand. n/t whathehell Dec 18 #73

I understand now. n/t whathehell Dec 18 #75

I believe MsLeopard Dec 18 #66

Tomorrows aren't looking so good these days. n/t rzemanfl Dec 18 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #24

Mending too? Goodness. rzemanfl Dec 18 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #53

Well darn. You're right. rzemanfl Dec 18 #82

Operative words: party elders relayerbob Dec 18 #25

The party already lost on Nov. 5 Blue_Tires Dec 18 #26

DEM elders like Pelosi suffer from a lack of youthful enthusiasm and "no-holds-barred" get it done IrishBubbaLiberal Dec 18 #28

It is up to AOC to take the gloves off. Passages Dec 18 #30

I'm sure she will but she is still very young and ha s along carreer ahead of her LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #34

Technically yes, but our party has very little time to counter Trump. Passages Dec 18 #37

I think she really did try her best, but she simply did not have the numbers once Pelosi and other Party leaders Celerity Dec 18 #39

Her tactics must change, concessions to leadership have failed b/c they still want to embrace Passages Dec 18 #41

I truly understand (and sympathise) with what you are saying, but IF AOC goes in all guns ablazing, she will only Celerity Dec 18 #44

One of the smart things AOC has done is to eschew the 'donor class' in favor of running a PatrickforB Dec 18 #51

Yes. Passages Dec 18 #54

She tried that when she was newly elected Arazi Dec 18 #70

Imo, she backed down quickly and has no rewards for her efforts. Passages Dec 18 #79

this is BS. The Dem party has a seniority system and AOC is great but just not senior enough. This is a needless bash of LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #33

Yes, and that senority system gave us Joe Biden as a candidate. intheflow Dec 18 #47

No, the seniority system had nothing to do with Biden getting the nomination LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #112

I'm talking this election, not 2020. intheflow Dec 19 #128

that makes even less sense since Biden dropped out LymphocyteLover Dec 19 #130

They ran Biden in 2020 based on seniority. intheflow Dec 19 #145

Biden got the nomination in 2020 because he was seen as the most experienced and was popular with Black people because LymphocyteLover Dec 19 #150

The seniority system has NOT served us well since 2016. n/t PatrickforB Dec 18 #49

So, maybe when she's 75 Bettie Dec 18 #56

JFK was only 43 when he was elected President. Emile Dec 18 #65

Biden himself was only 29yo when he first won a US Senate seat. Obama had only been in the US Congress for 2 years Celerity Dec 18 #124

The seniority system has evolved into a pretty rigid gerontocracy preservation system, at the expense of new Celerity Dec 18 #64

I supported Pelosi for all her fight in the past. bronxiteforever Dec 18 #36

Many of these Dems have been great and now it's time to step aside and let te people who's Nanjeanne Dec 18 #38

Pelosi needs to go. Cattledog Dec 18 #40

I love Nancy Pelosi, but the future requires people who will be in it. Kid Berwyn Dec 18 #46

Shoulda picked AOC. Sigh. n/t PatrickforB Dec 18 #48

Sorry to see negative stuff from TNR. elleng Dec 18 #55

Reporting the truth is not always positive. Emile Dec 18 #58

The body count is climbing. First, Joe, now AOC. CentralMass Dec 18 #57

So you have to get someone to primary Progressive dog Dec 18 #59

AOC is not favored by the big donors and corporations. jalan48 Dec 18 #60

Oh no, a new party that represents the people who Emile Dec 18 #67

Big donors and especially big corporations, desire, far too often, an ideologically tame, corp-freindly Democratic Party Celerity Dec 18 #74

So, we learned nothing from the RBG debacle? Afrocat Dec 18 #69

What did we learn from RBG? "Don't elect Republicans?" JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 19 #131

indeed Afrocat Dec 19 #151

Lemme get this straight... GiqueCee Dec 18 #71

The reason Kamala lost was she sucked up to the big money, along w the DNC and most Dem 'leaders'. DataDrivenFP Dec 19 #146

i wish the focus would be on the corruption, not the age PedroXimenez Dec 18 #72

Power corrupts Mysterian Dec 18 #77

I have been pleasantly surprised by the general reaction here hurl Dec 18 #78

Does Congress have a mentoring culture? IzzaNuDay Dec 18 #88

Big fan of both Pelosi and AOC. Pelosi made a tragic mistake. A braver move to actively support AOC. lostnfound Dec 18 #89

Pelosi conspiracy theories. For a couple years idiots swore she wouldn't impeach Trump betsuni Dec 18 #90

To be frank, ForgedCrank Dec 18 #91

If Pelosi is so smart SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #93

I'll refer ForgedCrank Dec 18 #102

A non-answer, answer SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #110

Yes, she ForgedCrank Dec 18 #113

Current leadership SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #114

You are ForgedCrank Dec 18 #115

Current leadership was SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #116

Ok. ForgedCrank Dec 18 #117

Have a nice day! SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #118

I think the point here is we are losing. We lost bigly. AllyCat Dec 19 #129

Disagree with most of that, for reasons I have laid out for years here from a multiple number of angles, not all of them Celerity Dec 18 #105

Who the hell else is there to vote for? "What's past is prologue" Autumn Dec 18 #98

I see you posted a news article. I can not tell where the snip srats and your comment starts. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 18 #100

I absolutely disagree with what Pelosi did. My personal comments throughout the thread and elswhere on DU Celerity Dec 18 #104

Term limits!!! seta1950 Dec 18 #101

They're not learning ThePartyThatListens Dec 18 #103

I would say far more utterly predictable than pathetic, at least atm. Celerity Dec 18 #107

AOC would also be great in this role TheFarseer Dec 18 #106

Pelosi needs to go away... Period...You stage a coup and lose and there are consequences JT45242 Dec 18 #109

Pelosi's only mistake in the Biden matter was not doing it MUCH EARLIER - like January 2024 - or better yet stopping Midwestern Democrat Dec 19 #136

This stuff happens alot in politics. It's clanny, cliquey, territorial and petty! LeftInTX Dec 18 #122

This is the reason why the generational change will be such a shock when it happens. Renew Deal Dec 18 #123

I have scolded a few times that even using the term 'generational change' is inherently ageist, which is ludicrous, but Celerity Dec 19 #149

Youth and vigor is needed in the fight against MAGA pfitz59 Dec 19 #127

Looking at the vote, she had little to do with it. it was going to happen. themaguffin Dec 19 #133

That is exactly right, and it wasn't a close vote either. Typical scape goating that is all too common among certain JohnSJ Dec 19 #140

I can't stand Pelosi alarimer Dec 19 #134

They've been rolling over and playing dead since 2000 GoreWon2000 Dec 19 #142