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112. Donald Trump, Luigi Mangione and the Political Power... of Raging Against the Machine

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Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:41 PM

Dec 18

The best analysis of the Presidential Election I have yet read. Forget the amazing job Joe Biden did as President, but underlying it all the Democrats defended a status quo platform, and never addressed the underlying reasons the electorate voted to rip the system to shreds. That lack of insight is the result when you are perceived to defend the indefensible. When Trump sold his campaign agenda of lies, corruption and deception he had already proven his skill as a junk products salesman, and he knew his target audience.

"...His appeal wasn’t rooted in ideology, but in rage—rage at institutions that, in the eyes of a significant portion of the electorate, promised hope and prosperity but seemed to deliver only corruption and dysfunction. His campaign wasn’t about conservatism. It was about contempt for everything Washington represents. And this anti-establishment stance, more than any policy position, is what resonated with millions of Americans across traditional party lines.

This scorched-earth approach to politics forced Democrats into an uneasy defensive crouch—and a rhetorical trap. By shielding the system from Trump’s onslaught, they unwittingly cast themselves as its champions, tethering their credibility to institutions many Americans had long since deemed hopelessly broken and corrupt..."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-luigi-mangione-and-the-political-power-of-raging-against-the-machine/?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon&user_emailA=6940104906dc4cffb3c841f00a5341bf&user_emailB=536b7f637a69978466c7acc43c98d93da7191164c9658d44f6a1e2f6ff5842c5

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Joy Reid on AOC loss to Connolly [View all] SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 OP

snapshot of that Bluesky link's post Celerity Dec 17 #1

Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #2

yw! Celerity Dec 17 #3

It almost seems like they aren't interested in getting young voters. Autumn Dec 17 #4

Maybe SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #5

They've been doing this since 2000 GoreWon2000 Dec 18 #91

There's no such thing as a young 74 year old Demobrat Dec 17 #10

What young 74 year old has cancer? Autumn Dec 17 #12

A young 74 year old who has cancer FFS. And Pelosi does this from a hospital bed Autumn Dec 18 #87

WOW. nt LittleGirl Dec 18 #90

RIght? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 17 #14

Quote from the Signorile show today Cirsium Dec 17 #16

At 76 I've earned the right to say this. Magoo48 Dec 18 #82

You are absolutely right. It's their time and it's their world. Time for the older folks to stop Autumn Dec 18 #84

I feel the Icanthinkformyself Dec 18 #85

My husband Rebl2 Dec 18 #95

They showed that when they boxed out Bernie in favor of Hillary in 2016 RVN VET71 Dec 18 #101

The man has cancer of the esophagus. Cancer can be tough especialy when you are Autumn Dec 18 #102

🙄 ... oh please. Oopsie Daisy Dec 18 #106

to be fair, Bernie wasn't going to win the nomination in 2016, he just didn't have the numbers ProfessorPlum Dec 18 #109

🙄 Oopsie Daisy Dec 18 #114

Bernie would have won had he not been silenced. NoSheep Dec 18 #110

She is correct malaise Dec 17 #6

AIPAC YorkRd Dec 17 #7

This one? ... littlemissmartypants Dec 17 #18

Dumb, dumb, dumb...it's time for the young bench players to get into the game and the vets to provide iluvtennis Dec 17 #8

The vets want to keep all the power Bettie Dec 18 #103

What a crock of shit. William769 Dec 17 #9

Yeah I've just about had it. Cobalt Violet Dec 17 #11

Before my heart attack a couple months ago, people called me a young 63. Iggo Dec 17 #13

There is also no such thing as a young 74 USS_Dauntless Dec 17 #19

For real. Iggo Dec 17 #30

I just entered that demographic. ChazInAz Dec 18 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 17 #15

I think it's time to clean house starting with Nancy Pelosi Galraedia Dec 17 #17

They aren't listening. Lunabell Dec 17 #49

If we lost the working class Farmer-Rick Dec 18 #98

I don't have that answer. Lunabell Dec 18 #115

I was thinking that after this hip surgery she may call it a career. Callie1979 Dec 18 #79

It's past due to move on LittleGirl Dec 18 #92

I have long worshipped Nancy Pelosi and never would have told her to step down MadameButterfly Dec 18 #100

Fairfax county vs the Bronx n/t PedroXimenez Dec 17 #20

Post removed Post removed Dec 17 #21

I just turned 70 Linda ladeewolf Dec 17 #22

This thread hits the nail on the head. bottomofthehill Dec 17 #23

It's nothing compared to what some bitter Duers constantly parrot about AOC and other Progressives SunImp Dec 17 #47

+1, but I sadly do not share your optimism on one thing: Celerity Dec 18 #66

Yes qazplm135 Dec 17 #52

The House Democratic Caucus has about 215 members. bottomofthehill Dec 18 #78

I see you took out qazplm135 Dec 18 #81

I think Bernie is 83, and he's white. The age thing seems to be Nixie Dec 18 #107

It's so tough to be an old white male. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 17 #53

Well, it's near impossible to be female at any age here. Hope22 Dec 18 #76

No one said to get rid of him but he is not the correct choice to lead in this case questionseverything Dec 17 #54

I don't think they were shitting on them..but are frustrated that it's business as usual while diverdownjt Dec 18 #72

Gerry Connolly took tough political positions when it mattered bottomofthehill Dec 18 #75

Nobody is casting him aside. He should pass the baton of leadership to the young people. Autumn Dec 18 #99

No one wants to get rid of Gerry Connolly Galraedia Dec 18 #86

I completely disagree LittleGirl Dec 18 #94

We can respect his career and still want the torch passed Arazi Dec 18 #105

I was not impressed with AOC's long video about the Biden stepdown possibility. I'm happy with this choice. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #24

What video? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #26

It was in one of our threads. But I believe this is it. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #28

What's wrong with it? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #29

I just don't feel that 'something special' when I hear her points, not feeling the right message and not hearing any DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #33

So her being loyal to SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #35

"It was obvious that the move to Harris was best" Polybius Dec 17 #39

The debate DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #42

Fair enough for reason to drop out Polybius Dec 17 #43

Fair enough. Perhaps becuase of the campaign money? Perhaps cause it was so late. Perhaps DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #46

another perhaps... no other option was really viable once Biden so quickly endorsed her, thesquanderer Dec 17 #48

Yes, didn't mention because I was approaching this at the point of AOC's video, not after Biden endorsed. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #51

Because it was far too late to do anything else - having a "mini-primary" at that very late date was pure fantasy. NT Midwestern Democrat Dec 18 #74

That's why the time for dropping out was in 2023, or never Polybius Dec 18 #96

Pelosi and Schumer shut out any contenders by Dec 2022 Arazi Dec 18 #104

Gerry gives you that " something special " feeling, huh? questionseverything Dec 17 #55

Of course SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #77

She is defending President Biden. Emile Dec 17 #31

Not in a very elegant way. And I believe any defense of Biden at that time was just hurting Harris' future campaign. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #34

Not in a very elegant way, would you say that's judgmental? Emile Dec 17 #36

Yes SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #38

That's not me. You judge me as being that kind of person? I'd think you could see a person can have respctful DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #41

Sorry SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #44

Thank You. Yes, subjective for sure. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #45

You're welcome SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #69

Inelegant? Oh, stop. Iggo Dec 17 #40

I've seen AOC (even recently) framed as some sort of Dem leadership (sometimes in re Biden, which is ludicrous) enemy, Celerity Dec 17 #58

"even trying to discuss Biden stepping down (back in the post-debate, pre drop-out-of-the-race era). " DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 17 #62

There were some posters who discussed it before the ownership ban on it kicked in, and also, of course, post Biden Celerity Dec 18 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author JHB Dec 17 #25

AOC would have been the better choice by a million miles vapor2 Dec 17 #27

PASS THE BATON ALREADY Skittles Dec 17 #32

Another reason we need term limits. But few here support them. So this is what you get Callie1979 Dec 18 #80

He has esophageal cancer. LisaL Dec 17 #37

AOC is the first person to a million followers on BlueSky...... Takket Dec 17 #50

AOC was the very first to reach a million? Wow. If so, that's definitely a reason for hope. Karasu Dec 17 #60

I figured she was going to be "a bridge too far." Too much kerry-is-my-prez Dec 17 #56

Why is she controversial? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #59

No - she is seen as being "too liberal" I don't mind but there's a lot of people who would. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 17 #61

Too liberal for whom? Republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 17 #63

Indies. Conservative Dems. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 18 #67

Why? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #68

Gerontocracy indeed. This is NOT what we should be about. Leave resisting the future to the Republicans. Karasu Dec 17 #57

She's 100% correct. donheld Dec 18 #65

Hanging on to what will keep them comfortable and well situated makes a lot of sense. Crunchy Frog Dec 18 #70

I've said it hundreds of times LilElf70 Dec 18 #71

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result Emile Dec 18 #73

Meh, catering to 14% of the electorate Littlered Dec 18 #88

she should have considered building a coalition and winning thebigidea Dec 18 #89

Well said my Florida sister! GoreWon2000 Dec 18 #93

And it's esophageal cancer! mainer Dec 18 #97

She lost? Ligyron Dec 18 #108

We have to wait until AOC turns 89. Cobalt Violet Dec 18 #111

Donald Trump, Luigi Mangione and the Political Power... of Raging Against the Machine icnorth Dec 18 #112

I'm at least slightly to the right of most posters here and I supported her for this gig. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #113