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EarlG

(22,639 posts)
28. I appreciate that, but I just want to be clear about what I'm talking about
Fri Dec 23, 2022, 02:35 PM
Dec 2022

This whole "defederation" business is a Mastodon thing. I'm not going to, and never will, create a software block which disallows links to any Mastodon server -- or anywhere else on the Internet for that matter.

All I'm talking about is directly embedding toots in DU posts. Unfortunately we cannot blanket-allow every single Mastodon post to be embedded on DU for technical reasons. Therefore if we are going to allow embedding, we have to hand-select servers from which toots can be embedded.

I selected the six servers above because someone on Reddit posted a huge list of journalists who were on Mastodon, and those seemed to be the servers that most of them were using. I didn't do a single second of research into the servers or their moderation policies. Hand-selecting those servers is not an endorsement by me of those servers, or their moderation policies, or anything else -- I was simply trying to allow DU embedding of toots by as many journalists as I could, for the purposes of this initial experiment.

Although as I'm now becoming aware, by selecting those servers, it may appear that I am endorsing them -- and therein lies the problem.

When I see a toot from, say, Anne Applebaum in my OP, I should be interested in the content of the toot. I don't want to have to think, "That's a interesting toot by a Pulitzer-prize winning historian, but before I decide if I can appreciate it or not, there's a whole complicated backstory about the server it's posted on which I have to go research first."

As far as I'm concerned there's barely any difference between an embed and a link. It's mostly just convenience. With a link you have to go somewhere else to read the content (unless someone has copied and pasted the content already) whereas with an embed the content is right in front of you. Ideally we would be able to embed every single toot, like we can embed every single tweet, but if we can't do that then we might just have to embed no toots at all, simply because hand-selecting certain servers creates an appearance of favoritism -- it suggests that by selecting those servers, I'm endorsing them. I'm not.

Bottom line is that if hand-selecting servers to embed means that me or anyone else is going to have to keep up with whatever scandal du jour is going on over at Mastodon, then I think we might be better off not allowing embedding and just letting people link to toots instead. I started reading the other reply you made just below, and I appreciate the effort you put in, but I don't want to have to be parsing through stuff like that on a regular basis.

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Ty EarlG & Elad! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #1
a quick test, comment and thank you to Elad Yonnie3 Dec 2022 #2
Cool! Thank you! 2naSalit Dec 2022 #3
K&R Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg Dec 2022 #4
That's great. Wonder if mastodon will someday become the plaything of a twit (twoot). erronis Dec 2022 #5
Very smart, cool, thoughtful. Thank you, Elad. ancianita Dec 2022 #6
Love sniffing out these toots on DU IronLionZion Dec 2022 #7
Who has mastodon accounts there? edbermac Dec 2022 #8
I just looked to see what server many of the people I follow on Twitter are on. demmiblue Dec 2022 #12
I selected mstdn.plus which just reopened to new users. live love laugh Dec 2022 #45
Always improving, without being asked.... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #9
Testing: demmiblue Dec 2022 #10
This is great, now if my technology challenged brain could only take advantange of it ... marble falls Dec 2022 #11
This is great news 4now Dec 2022 #13
THANK YOU! Any chance of NOT boosting journa.host ? NullTuples Dec 2022 #14
Well... shit EarlG Dec 2022 #15
I understand, and that's my fear about Masto too. NullTuples Dec 2022 #18
Very interesting, thanks EarlG Dec 2022 #19
I think the question is whether a site has a good moderation policy BootinUp Dec 2022 #23
I appreciate that, but I just want to be clear about what I'm talking about EarlG Dec 2022 #28
Its not even half the story. Thumbsdown BootinUp Dec 2022 #24
OLD NEWS This is over a month old! BootinUp Dec 2022 #26
So the fascist owned site is ok though? Bad joke sorry. But the poster above BootinUp Dec 2022 #27
I guess this is what I'm talking about EarlG Dec 2022 #29
If you aren't interested in any research I might do then thats cool. BootinUp Dec 2022 #30
Embedding is going to be here for a little while EarlG Dec 2022 #32
Thank you for the clarification BootinUp Dec 2022 #34
Even if embedding does turn out to be a problem EarlG Dec 2022 #38
Thanks. One last suggestion BootinUp Dec 2022 #39
Hmm, interesting idea EarlG Dec 2022 #41
cool. Thanks EarlG BootinUp Dec 2022 #42
That could work. I know databases and sql BootinUp Dec 2022 #40
I think there already is a safe list of mastodon instances BootinUp Dec 2022 #37
Removing it is probably a good decision. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #31
Mastodon has been a great experience. You do not know what you are missing Ms. Toad. BootinUp Dec 2022 #33
I do. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #35
It is the "wild wild west part" that I have to argue about BootinUp Dec 2022 #36
Where is your quote coming from please? BootinUp Dec 2022 #22
So since November 20 anymore charges made against the server BootinUp Dec 2022 #25
LOVE IT! Thank you EarlG! CousinIT Dec 2022 #16
Awesome - this is a terrific enhancement to an already terrific site :) Pluvious Dec 2022 #17
I am not leaving Twitter unless YoshidaYui Dec 2022 #20
Same here. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2022 #43
Thanks! BootinUp Dec 2022 #21
I couldn't access the servers listed so I'm on mstdn.plus. live love laugh Dec 2022 #44
One interesting thing about mastodon BootinUp Dec 2022 #46
How did I miss this? blogslug Jan 2023 #47
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