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BumRushDaShow

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25. I don't "do polls"
Thu Oct 31, 2024, 12:44 PM
Oct 31

You might have noticed the graphic in my sigline (if you have that option turned on) -



You can't even go by the "trends" anymore. The issue is that the GOP and their conservative boot-lickers, have commissioned dozens and dozens of skewed individual "polls" that get fed into the aggregators. The aggregators arrogantly proclaim that "they correct for that".

No they don't.

In general, there are more "national polls" than "state polls" so when you suddenly get some "extra" state polls from fly-by-night, just-got-started pollsters, they are all over those, and throw them into the pile.

The aggregators end up with garbage and that feeds "the narrative" for the gasbags on teevee. I.e., they use the Nate Silver credos -




Nate Silver
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I'd rather gouge my eyes out than debate the merits of individual election polls or pollsters. Take the average and trust the process.
2:21 PM · Sep 10, 2022


Meanwhile -




David Brauer
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“The skewed red-wave surveys polluted polling averages, which are relied upon by campaigns, donors, voters & the news media. It fed the home-team boosterism of right-wing media outlets … And it spilled over into coverage by mainstream news organizations, including The Times …”
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W/⁦@kenbensinger⁩ ⁦@SteveEder⁩ https://nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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“Other pollsters lacked experience, like two high-school juniors in Pennsylvania who started Patriot Polling and quickly found their surveys included on the statistical analysis website 538 — as did another high school concern based at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass.”
9:34 AM · Dec 31, 2022


They are trying to do a repeat because it worked so well in 2022 to help divert money from those who could use the boost, to those that are "safe seats" -

The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative

By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022

Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.

So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.

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Ms. Murray’s own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest — she amassed $20 million — on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the party’s national Senate committee and supportive super PACs — resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.

A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans — including inflation and President Biden’s unpopularity — the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html


What is THANKFULLY different this year is that so much money was raised by Democrats and in such a short time, that $$$ could be spread around much better.

Have you noticed some terminology that is usually "standard" in the narrative, have barely appeared in print or on air? Like "enthusiasm gap" or "red wave" or "blue wave"?

It's a shame that we will have to go by "anecdotal" information, although many of us are in "bubble" areas where we WILL either see "more blue" or "more red". But I would think the delta (change) from election season to election season, of those anecdotes, would have some kind of useful meaning.

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Actually aimed at women dominated by overbearing partners. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #1
In this case no - this is aimed at men because there is ALREADY a similar set of ads aimed at women BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #3
Even better ! Thanks. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #8
I was actually surprised to see it BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #9
Fuck Clooney. live love laugh Oct 31 #2
I agree BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #4
Well, if that's your jawn, as is said in Philadelphia. The perfect is the enemy of the good. GoneOffShore Oct 31 #5
If "the good" means embracing someone who betrayed live love laugh Oct 31 #6
Never saw what he did as 'betrayal'. But you do you. GoneOffShore Oct 31 #7
Why the chiding remarks? People have differing views here all the time. live love laugh Oct 31 #21
Eyes on the prize. Settle that score later. Right now he's an ally. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #13
"Well, if that's your jawn, as is said in Philadelphia. The perfect is the enemy of the good." BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #11
The thing about Clooney and Riner is where was their HUGE support for Harris when Biden did drop out? Bengus81 Oct 31 #20
Well, I guess then you hate Peolosi too. She just did it more quietly pulling strings. NoRethugFriends Oct 31 #26
Agree. Clooney, who? Polly Hennessey Oct 31 #28
Why is this controversial? Novara Oct 31 #10
Agree BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #12
Historical. Focus on present; debate history later. I want President Kamala Harris. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 31 #14
VP Harris is my soror as an AKA BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #15
Gotta disagree Novara Oct 31 #16
Like 2022, the "polls" are completely screwed up BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #17
Polling is completely fucked. Novara Oct 31 #23
I don't "do polls" BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #25
It comes down to critical thinking skills, which too many people lack Novara Nov 3 #33
One thing that I have noticed at some of the news sites BumRushDaShow Nov 3 #37
It was only crystal "clear" if you didn't support President Biden. live love laugh Oct 31 #29
You're pushing the GOP narrative. Novara Nov 3 #34
Every accusation is a confession seems an appropriate response for you. live love laugh Nov 3 #35
I call him George Swooney cadoman Oct 31 #18
I like the Sam Elliott ad best of all. hamsterjill Oct 31 #19
As did every Dem who thought Biden should step aside? maxsolomon Nov 4 #39
Joe saved democracy in 2020 and again in 2024 HereForTheParty Oct 31 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author ArkansasDemocrat1 Oct 31 #24
We now have a real shot at winning on Nov 5th, thanks to Clooney, Pelosi, and many more and Joe Biden. Silent Type Oct 31 #27
Thank you George Clooney SharonClark Oct 31 #32
BumRush, thank you for posting this! FakeNoose Oct 31 #30
I thought it was fascinating how they did that ad BumRushDaShow Oct 31 #31
Lol. Didn't recognize Clooney's voice ecstatic Nov 3 #36
It's all in the type of microphone one uses BumRushDaShow Nov 3 #38
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