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In reply to the discussion: George Clooney narrates ad for Harris - months after writing damning op-ed calling for Biden to quit race [View all]BumRushDaShow
(144,312 posts)25. I don't "do polls"
You might have noticed the graphic in my sigline (if you have that option turned on) -
You can't even go by the "trends" anymore. The issue is that the GOP and their conservative boot-lickers, have commissioned dozens and dozens of skewed individual "polls" that get fed into the aggregators. The aggregators arrogantly proclaim that "they correct for that".
No they don't.
In general, there are more "national polls" than "state polls" so when you suddenly get some "extra" state polls from fly-by-night, just-got-started pollsters, they are all over those, and throw them into the pile.
The aggregators end up with garbage and that feeds "the narrative" for the gasbags on teevee. I.e., they use the Nate Silver credos -
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I'd rather gouge my eyes out than debate the merits of individual election polls or pollsters. Take the average and trust the process.
2:21 PM · Sep 10, 2022
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I'd rather gouge my eyes out than debate the merits of individual election polls or pollsters. Take the average and trust the process.
2:21 PM · Sep 10, 2022
Meanwhile -
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Dec 31, 2022
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The skewed red-wave surveys polluted polling averages, which are relied upon by campaigns, donors, voters & the news media. It fed the home-team boosterism of right-wing media outlets And it spilled over into coverage by mainstream news organizations, including The Times
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About That Red Wave
W/@kenbensinger @SteveEder https://nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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Other pollsters lacked experience, like two high-school juniors in Pennsylvania who started Patriot Polling and quickly found their surveys included on the statistical analysis website 538 as did another high school concern based at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass.
9:34 AM · Dec 31, 2022
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The skewed red-wave surveys polluted polling averages, which are relied upon by campaigns, donors, voters & the news media. It fed the home-team boosterism of right-wing media outlets And it spilled over into coverage by mainstream news organizations, including The Times
jimrutenberg
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About That Red Wave
W/@kenbensinger @SteveEder https://nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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Other pollsters lacked experience, like two high-school juniors in Pennsylvania who started Patriot Polling and quickly found their surveys included on the statistical analysis website 538 as did another high school concern based at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass.
9:34 AM · Dec 31, 2022
They are trying to do a repeat because it worked so well in 2022 to help divert money from those who could use the boost, to those that are "safe seats" -
The Red Wave Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative
By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022
Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.
So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.
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Ms. Murrays own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest she amassed $20 million on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the partys national Senate committee and supportive super PACs resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.
A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans including inflation and President Bidens unpopularity the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html
By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022
Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.
So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.
(snip)
Ms. Murrays own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest she amassed $20 million on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the partys national Senate committee and supportive super PACs resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.
A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans including inflation and President Bidens unpopularity the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html
What is THANKFULLY different this year is that so much money was raised by Democrats and in such a short time, that $$$ could be spread around much better.
Have you noticed some terminology that is usually "standard" in the narrative, have barely appeared in print or on air? Like "enthusiasm gap" or "red wave" or "blue wave"?
It's a shame that we will have to go by "anecdotal" information, although many of us are in "bubble" areas where we WILL either see "more blue" or "more red". But I would think the delta (change) from election season to election season, of those anecdotes, would have some kind of useful meaning.
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George Clooney narrates ad for Harris - months after writing damning op-ed calling for Biden to quit race [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Oct 31
OP
Actually aimed at women dominated by overbearing partners. . . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 31
#1
In this case no - this is aimed at men because there is ALREADY a similar set of ads aimed at women
BumRushDaShow
Oct 31
#3
Well, if that's your jawn, as is said in Philadelphia. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
GoneOffShore
Oct 31
#5
Eyes on the prize. Settle that score later. Right now he's an ally. . . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 31
#13
"Well, if that's your jawn, as is said in Philadelphia. The perfect is the enemy of the good."
BumRushDaShow
Oct 31
#11
The thing about Clooney and Riner is where was their HUGE support for Harris when Biden did drop out?
Bengus81
Oct 31
#20
Well, I guess then you hate Peolosi too. She just did it more quietly pulling strings.
NoRethugFriends
Oct 31
#26
Historical. Focus on present; debate history later. I want President Kamala Harris. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 31
#14