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Bo Zarts

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42. I'm very knowledgeable about both: I am a licensed UAS (drone) and airline pilot. And I agree with you.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 04:54 PM
Dec 15

I remember similar hysteria in the past, way before drones. Then, it was always UFOs. Let me set up a very simplistic scenario for you.

Let's imagine that I am flying a Boeing 737 or MD-80 inbound to Atlanta from, let's say Charlotte, on a very clear night .. or a night with a high overcast. You are on a hill top in eastern Alabama looking toward the northeast. I am flying a published arrival routing (STARS) into ATL, and Atlanta Center has already slowed me, and dozens of other jets inbound from the northeast, to 250 knots. Aircraft are landing to the west at the Atlanta airport.

As I decent through 10,000 feet, more or less over the Georgia/SC stateline, I do three things: 1. signal "sterile cockpit" rules to the entire crew; 2. double check that I am doing 250 knots (as that is the speed limit below 10,000 feet), and; 3. SWITCH ON EVERY EXTERIOR LIGHT THAT IS NOT ALREADY ON. That means the ultra-bright landing or recognition lights come on, the wing ice lights come on, the tail logo lights comes on. I want to be very, very visible to any other aircraft out there .. day or night.

What you see to the northeast from your vantage point on a hill in Alabama, about 150 miles away (but you are looking at a 2-D picture without any depth perception at all), is a light that is moving very slowly downward, as if floating downward. There is zero sound, because .. well, 150 miles. Now multiply this one weird light (my landing light) times about 20 .. or 50 .. lights of jets on the arrival above and below me. But with no depth perception it just looks like lights floating downwards.

Meanwhile, departures off of ATL's parallel east-west runways appear to be balls of light floating slowly UPWARDS. They have accelerated to 250 knots, the speed limit below 10,000 feet .. but you cannot tell that they have any forward motion at all.

Now. Both inbound and departure aircraft have to turn to 1. align with the landing runways, or 2. joint the standard departure (SID) routings. It is a daisy-chain of airplanes .. inbound and outbound .. that you are viewing .. or whose lights you are viewing .. in two-dimensional space. It looks like highly choreographed flights of saucers straight from the planet Mars. Slowly down .. slowly up .. slowly left .. slowly right .. and not a sound.

I have seen it from the ground too, and I already know and understand what it is. But I am still amazed at the tricks the eyes and the mind play on my rational thinking. And I have flown in and out of the NYC area airports (JFK, LGA, and EWR) extensively, and I know how close those arrival and departure routes are .. or appear to be .. to New Jersey.

This is an over simplified scenario, and there is no doubt that there are some drones flying in that area at any given point in time. But as an airline accident investigator back in the 1990s, I found out how susceptible the general public is to the power of suggestion and how unreliable eyewitnesses to accidents can be. Way too many aircraft are reported as have "exploded in the air" before making contact with the ground when, almost always, the opposite is true. Don't always believe your lying eyes.

Captain Bo Zarts

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That's what it looked like to me -misanthroptimist Dec 15 #1
I'm very knowledgeable about both: I am a licensed UAS (drone) and airline pilot. And I agree with you. Bo Zarts Dec 15 #42
I have a *lot* of experience under the night skies -misanthroptimist Dec 15 #44
Some GOP fool went out with his kids & took pics of the drones they saw & then posted them. CrispyQ Dec 18 #50
That's just what they WANT you to believe! FSogol Dec 15 #2
So, what about the videos circulated... GiqueCee Dec 15 #3
I expect many are regular airplanes but others are NOT BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #4
You mean those videos made with the special "bigfoot fuzzying filter?" PSPS Dec 15 #14
Bigfoot... GiqueCee Dec 15 #19
Here's a DU thread suggesting it's just people paying attention to something they've never paid attention to before. CrispyQ Dec 15 #29
Given the ever-rising temperature... GiqueCee Dec 18 #49
Drone exist. Drones occasionally go places they should not. XorXor Dec 18 #48
Manned aircraft bigmonk Dec 15 #5
My thought also. Air traffic controllers know where manned aircraft are. Lonestarblue Dec 15 #6
There is a shortage of Air Traffic Controllers Farmer-Rick Dec 15 #16
Damned aliens... GiqueCee Dec 15 #21
Hey... maybe this IS their idea of calling first! :-) (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 15 #26
I suppose... GiqueCee Dec 15 #35
Hysterical people reporting scheduled flights as drones FredGarvin Dec 15 #7
this has all kinds of mass hysteria energy to it prodigitalson Dec 15 #43
And don't manned planes need to be equiped with transponders? Attilatheblond Dec 15 #41
AKA sheduled flights FredGarvin Dec 15 #8
"Slight overreaction"?? More like a foot dragging underreaction. nt ancianita Dec 15 #9
In Ukraine, they take these down with hand held drone jammers FredGarvin Dec 15 #10
Are you sure? Have you checked online? I just found a number of links. ancianita Dec 15 #11
It was sarcasm FredGarvin Dec 15 #12
I had no idea there was such a thing karin_sj Dec 15 #13
Oh yeah, I saw some at a farm show Farmer-Rick Dec 15 #18
This has stirred the UFO-philes into a frenzy. wolfie001 Dec 15 #15
re: "Over 25 billion smart devices that can record video and yet not ONE!!!!! convincing piece of evidence" thesquanderer Dec 15 #27
Not sure but I am sure everything that's been presented is pretty much BS wolfie001 Dec 15 #38
Most people... HuskyOffset Dec 15 #17
I guess the clue came when the wing lights were on.........you know green for right wing, red for left wing ...... turbinetree Dec 15 #20
Aliens would also have BidenRocks Dec 15 #37
Very Smart Aliens............smarter than whats on this planet trying to say nothing over here turbinetree Dec 17 #47
Interesting. Sounds like a case of mass hysteria. That happens during times of stress such as the recent election. Martin68 Dec 15 #22
Some might be but not all BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #23
I believe substantial regulations are in place already. for example, it is illegal to fly a drone in an airport's Martin68 Dec 15 #24
"If there are idiots fooling around with drones for kicks, it will be hard to catch them." BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #25
I'd say the build-up to the inauguration and the next four-year term are the REAL times of stress. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 15 #31
So many aircraft Goatguy Dec 15 #28
There was an interview with Mayorkas that I posted BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #30
Security cameras captured video of one within a mile of my house last night morillon Dec 15 #32
"The bigger ops feel like trolling to me." BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #33
Drones Maninacan Dec 15 #34
Color me sceptical sdfernando Dec 15 #36
I can't get over the shit with Larry Hogan thinking the constellation Orion was a bunch of fucking drones. LOL Karasu Dec 15 #39
Jetson Aero drone littlemissmartypants Dec 15 #40
But does it do this BumRushDaShow Dec 15 #45
Of course! littlemissmartypants Dec 16 #46
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