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moniss

(6,155 posts)
32. You miss the point of my response
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:57 AM
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which is about condoning violence and money provided to those who do and commit such acts. It is not about official approval because that is just a matter of application for which courts and politicians will weasel word when they feel the need. The examples I'm speaking of are things like people knew very well that when you set out "militia groups" aka "contractors" to take actions in an area of conflict that there are going to be people who go to excess. Any psychologist will tell you that is not an "if" it is a "when". But when it happens the people who funded it all claim "we had no idea and do not condone it" etc. But the facts are they know these things going in and it is only after being caught that they come out with the disingenuous rejection of the violence. But the idea of politicians and "leaders" being hypocritical and cowardly is nothing new which also goes to the point of long standing glorification and condoning of violence.

The slaughter of the indigenous people here in the US was also a deliberate act of murder. The reference to Hollywood is to show that not only did we do the act in reality but we romanticize it to this day and so the question of condoning is laid to rest with an undeniable verdict of guilty. Dead is still dead and there is no defense about condoning violence by saying "Oh it was authorized" or "Oh they went further than authorized". The powers that be love control of the people and projection of their power and ambitions through violence fully condoned.

So this man obviously went out of control and allegedly killed this CEO. As I posed originally the El Salvador Death Squads went out of control too. As well as the Contras. As well as the illegal squatters in the West Bank. As well as the people who raped and tortured prisoners in official prisons and black sites. But money raised for their defense and actions draws no widespread "outrage and claims of condoning violence" by government, media and the general population. Supposedly only for this individual is legal defense money inappropriate and supposedly "condoning" something.

I don't care whether you wear a hoodie and commit a violent act directly or whether you wear a suit and tie and pay others to do it for you under the guise of being "official". A stand on morals, which is what the question of condoning is about, doesn't change based on what you wear, your station in life or some "power and authority" claimed. Those who vacillate about that aren't about morals and in fact show themselves to be situational in applying some standard of conduct rather than upholding one.

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Isn't Mangione from a wealthy family? RandomNumbers Tuesday #1
it's not the money azureblue Thursday #57
Show my support? WTAF??? RandomNumbers 15 hrs ago #64
lmao he comes from an uber-wealthy family. Maybe use that money to help people pay off medical debt... Self Esteem Tuesday #2
"We are not here to celebrate violence" uncledad Tuesday #3
Does that also apply to military contractors, CIA moniss Tuesday #9
For what it's worth. I agree with you. chouchou Tuesday #18
It's not vacuous at all and is on point. moniss Wednesday #29
Military, CIA, Etc intelpug Wednesday #20
You miss the point of my response moniss Wednesday #32
Appreciate your thoughtful post Avalon Sparks Wednesday #56
What is the historical equivalence of the motives of the military, CIA? All "sanctioned". 58Sunliner Wednesday #49
Don't forget funding for insurrectionists like Trump & his minions Captain Zero Wednesday #22
Trump is being funded by billionaires azureblue Thursday #58
Crickets. And corporations are people too y'know Evolve Dammit 16 hrs ago #63
This wasn't a movie? uncledad Wednesday #31
I have no earthly idea moniss Wednesday #33
I'm saving my outrage for the victims denied medical treatment. Merry Christmas. 58Sunliner Wednesday #50
His lawyer needs to tell him to buy a walker, stop fighting a bunch of police, stoop over and look in pain Silent Type Tuesday #4
He'll get sympathy since he's "attractive". The courtroom was full of young women. Callie1979 Wednesday #26
Considering he hadn't communicated with family or friends TexasBushwhacker Wednesday #45
A drop in the bucket Lulu KC Tuesday #5
Thank you MustLoveBeagles Wednesday #55
As many may have noted here on DU, I have a lot of empathy for Luigi TBF Tuesday #6
I don't think he had any ups or downs with UHC... reACTIONary Tuesday #11
The connection is there - to the industry. TBF Tuesday #14
His Family Owns A Senior Care Company Deep State Witch Wednesday #37
Why UHC cyclezealot1 Wednesday #21
I believe that's been reported - TBF Wednesday #35
32% denial rate. Nice work if you can find it............ Bengus81 Wednesday #41
All kids have insurance if their adults file an applicaiton IbogaProject Tuesday #16
I don't know the details - I will have to look that up TBF Wednesday #34
Yep....26. I haven't heard of that changing Bengus81 Wednesday #42
I was talking about the Child Health Plus IbogaProject Wednesday #46
They won't change it for above 18, which is normal paid insurance IbogaProject Thursday #62
I think had insurance, but was faced with denials TexasBushwhacker Thursday #60
My suggestion for some disruption would be for a large number of us moniss Tuesday #7
My concern is encouraging murder Nululu Tuesday #8
You have a significant number of people making a hero out of this guy MichMan Tuesday #10
It's sad nt Nululu Tuesday #12
With a jury trial, he may walk SallyHemmings Wednesday #25
And...another load of people making a hero out of a CEO that denies 32% of claims Bengus81 Wednesday #43
I don't think saying ClaireF Wednesday #48
What do you say when folks have health care needs, TBF Thursday #59
passing the plate for a wealthy gun humping psycho killer coward Skittles Tuesday #13
Makes P.T. Barnum smile. Sneederbunk Tuesday #15
What f**king morans. He assassinated someone, and that is the same thing as contributing to the assholes who took part JohnSJ Tuesday #17
The head asshole in that gets inaugurated this January 20. Captain Zero Wednesday #23
Oh boy! AKwannabe Tuesday #19
Anyone here ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Cobalt Violet Wednesday #24
That's the standard in a court of law EX500rider Wednesday #30
The face photos are a little grainy, and I have seen arguments TBF Wednesday #36
I doubt it AZProgressive Wednesday #40
He is 26 - TBF Wednesday #51
The fact that he was still wearing the hoodie TexasBushwhacker Thursday #61
so that's roughly quakerboy Wednesday #27
His family snowybirdie Wednesday #28
Two Country Clubs Deep State Witch Wednesday #38
I don't understand the logic in donating money to this guy. ificandream Wednesday #39
So is slowly,painfully KILLING people with 32% denial rate and running them into bankruptcy because of a POS Bengus81 Wednesday #44
Fuck that CEO orangecrush Wednesday #47
The defense of the CEO disgusts me - TBF Wednesday #52
Of course, Mangione will get off Scott free orangecrush Wednesday #53
Stop treating this guy like anti-abortion people treat Dr. killers thearchive Wednesday #54
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