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andym

(5,748 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2024, 10:15 PM Oct 20

Why many Democrats find this presidential campaign uniquely unsettling [View all]

How does America move forward when so many of our fellow citizens embrace a candidate and a message so fundamentally un-American?
Oct. 19, 2024, 3:00 AM PDT
By Michael A. Cohen, MSNBC Columnist
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/democratic-panic-kamala-harris-donald-trump-polls-rcna176170

"There is one question that dominates every political conversation and every group chat in Democratic enclaves across America, and it’s not “Will Kamala Harris win the election?” It’s “How is Donald Trump this close to winning?”

--snip-- [section that states Democrats worry more than Republicans]

Emotionally, however, this is hardly a satisfactory answer. For many Democrats, Trump’s continued viability as a presidential candidate speaks to something more fundamental and concerning: How can someone as odious and malignant as Trump maintain so much popular support?

It’s not just that Trump’s four years in office were defined by unimaginable incompetence, venality, chaos and cruelty. It’s not just that he is a convicted felon who spurred an insurrection and still refuses to accept the results of the 2020 election. It’s not just that many Democrats can’t comprehend why anyone would want to return to those days. The larger and more disquieting issue is the campaign Trump is running right now: one that is as vile and as openly racist as any campaign in perhaps all of American history — and that includes his previous runs for the White House.

--snip-- [read more of Mr. Cohen's arguments talking about how Trump is demonizing immigrants, minorities and opponents using fascist and NAZI rhetoric]

Even if Trump loses, he will still likely get 45%-47% of the popular vote. How does America move forward when so many of our fellow citizens embrace a candidate and a message so fundamentally un-American? Defeating Trump is obviously essential, but as this presidential election, like the two before it, has made clear, America is a very different place than many of us imagined."
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Trump's level of support to even 45% of the electorate is very bad news for the USA. How can this be rectified? A serious counter movement to MAGA is needed. Another question is how do some folks vote, based on very little actual information they possess, still able to disregard widespread knowledge of how vile Trump is as a person and how un-American are his proposals.

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The level of ignorance that he and his followers revel in is what's scary. They are proud of how stupid they are. cutroot Oct 20 #1
Algorithmic Bias: Reinforcing Prejudice on Social Media TomCADem Oct 21 #8
Republicans have spent the last 40 years or more destroying the education system. Xipe Totec Oct 21 #36
It's a clear indicator of some real, major political, historical and social dysfunction if even 15% of the population lees1975 Oct 20 #2
Unsettling is an understatement. I see President Trump wining MI NC GA NV and AZ and becoming kelly1mm Oct 20 #3
He's behind in MI, PA and WI, and if he doesn't win those, she gets 277. But she'll get all of them. lees1975 Oct 20 #5
I only have him winning MI of the 'Blue Wall' states. Assuming he does win MI kelly1mm Oct 20 #6
She is up by 8 points in Michigan. lees1975 Oct 21 #19
Here is a top rated poll that has her down 3 points in MI. kelly1mm Oct 21 #28
RCP is not a top rated poll. lees1975 Oct 21 #31
Trump "winning" Scarlet Begalas Oct 21 #20
Darn it you caught me! Been on DU since 2009 and have 5000+ posts all leading up kelly1mm Oct 21 #29
Links please PortTack Oct 21 #24
I am only predicting a MI win as of now but PA is slipping into a pure coin flip. Here is a recent poll kelly1mm Oct 21 #30
RCP is trash. Forget it. If she's down by an average of 3 that means she's winning by 4. lees1975 Oct 21 #32
RCP is just the server hosting the PDF from the polling company. kelly1mm Oct 21 #35
Including all the right wing red flag polls which skews it. lees1975 Oct 22 #38
He's not winning all those states. n/t wryter2000 Oct 21 #15
I hope I am wrong. We will see in about 2 weeks. nt kelly1mm Oct 21 #16
Really? MFM008 Oct 21 #17
2016 and 2020 were just as unsettling. J_William_Ryan Oct 20 #4
And how many of us face this in our own families? callous taoboy Oct 21 #7
This is the toughest part for me. maxsolomon Oct 21 #12
This the toughest part for me Scarlet Begalas Oct 21 #21
This one is specifically linked to her Dad. maxsolomon Oct 21 #23
Despite the stock market being at record highs....sounds like dad has a tough time facing the reality of things PortTack Oct 21 #27
He attends Mass weekly. maxsolomon Oct 21 #33
What's unsettling is that he's not polling in single digits. tinrobot Oct 21 #9
Engage nvme Oct 21 #10
Because they are MFM008 Oct 21 #18
Education k0rs Oct 21 #11
Education Scarlet Begalas Oct 21 #22
Trump should have been jailed January 7th. No bail. Do not pass go. Initech Oct 21 #13
I wonder if that 45% hasn't always been there wryter2000 Oct 21 #14
I grew up in Amarillo Texas a half century ago. markodochartaigh Oct 21 #26
The Christian nationalism that is becoming a bigger issue was buried in the votes of those lees1975 Oct 21 #34
No, this mess is not going away with a Harris victory on 11/5...which is going to happen...but PortTack Oct 21 #25
What's puzzling to me is FakeNoose Oct 22 #37
Michelle Obama agrees: "Michelle Obama blasts Trump in battleground Michigan: 'Why on earth is this race even close?'" andym Oct 26 #39
100% THIS PIECE LymphocyteLover Oct 27 #40
Low information voters blaming the party in charge for high cost-of-living is one reason-- Reuters article today andym Oct 28 #41
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