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14. I'm struggling with the used car thing, I feel even if I buy it used, I am still responsible
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:09 PM
Jun 2020

for part of the construction emissions. Since virtually all cars are run until they are essentially worthless, whether thay have one owner or multiple owners. I just don't think I can put all the construction emissions on the first owner, and feel guiltless because I wasn't the original purchaser. By being a second or third owner, I'm part of what makes a car valuable to the first owner, because (s)he can then sell it to someone else after the "newness" wears off. It's all part of a chain or market that 2nd and 3rd buyers make possible.

One thing for sure, I won't be buying an EV. A year or two ago, the economics was that cost wise, including gasoline or electricity, and including maintenance (where yes, ICE costs more to maintain than EV), it was economically break even only if driven like 15,000 miles/year or more for the car's lifetime in order to break even with the higher purchase cost.

I drive less than 1,000 miles/year. I know that's pathetic, I know that's not "real man", I know it proves I don't have a life and all that. But it is what it is. I really believe we have to start living way differently if we're going to have a snowball's chance in hell of arresting global warming. I know that makes me sick, nut, whacko, flake, kook, and ding-dong. But it is what it is.

Anyway unless I see different numbers than I've seen, it would cost way more for me to buy an EV than it would save in "fuel" and operating costs. I think that extra money would be better spent in other directions. For example, I gave my farm away to Population Connection (full disclosure: in exchange for a charitable gift annuity, but I still figure it was a net $125,000 gift even considering the present value of the annuity plus the tax savings and no selling costs). IOW, I'm willing to spend money to save the planet, I just don't think buying an EV is the most effective per dollar way to do it for me.

Edited to add: I also live in a townhome association that is about as green as Exxon. They aren't going to rewire our garages to support charging plug-in hybrids or EVs, and individual owners doing that isn't feasible, so they say. And it would be a huge huge huge huge multi-year project to sell this place and move, and I'm just not going to do that.

Or I would have to fight with the homeowner association for years and years with little chance of success. One thing about homeowner associations is that they are just about the most dictatorial governing entity that's ever been conceived.

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use the 2018 and save your money Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #1
That depends on what other options Phoenix61 Jan 2020 #2
The same for me exboyfil Jan 2020 #3
Are those the only two choices? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #4
No, there are at least two other choices. Quemado Jan 2021 #20
I don't want to wait another ten years or more PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #22
I'm thinking about buying a used EV kimbutgar Jan 2020 #5
I was considering a hybrid for my next car a Toyota RAV4. The ICE RAV4 gets 38 MPG doc03 Jan 2020 #6
Give the market time to sort out.. Mopar151 Jan 2020 #7
My husband often says this Freddie Jan 2020 #8
I read that GHG emissions to build a car (either EV or ICE) are about the same as what an ICE car progree Jan 2020 #9
Even in regions with mostly a coal powered grid Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #11
I'm trying not to buy another car at all, because the GHG emissions to build a car are about half progree Jun 2020 #12
Then I would recommend a used EV Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #13
I'm struggling with the used car thing, I feel even if I buy it used, I am still responsible progree Jun 2020 #14
All valid points, and I would like to make plain Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #15
If I buy, it will be used, and I'll certainly look at EV's. However, the homeowner association progree Jun 2020 #16
If we get the current troll out of office Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #17
Yeah, uh, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for those robotaxis Calculating Jan 2020 #10
Agreed, but with one nitpick Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #18
I'm sold on EV's mac2766 Jan 2021 #19
OP here: My wife and I ordered a Tesla Model Y. Quemado Jan 2021 #21
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