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21. many surveys do not have control groups
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

Control groups are used in experiments. As for anonymous, do you think surveys about racism are not anonymous? That would definitely bias the results. As for ad hoc standard for leftist and criteria for anti-semitism, the study is clear in how they defined leftist - I would assume a well-known political science researcher would use established constructs and it seems the survey questions relied on those to gain an indication of holding of leftist views, and similarly used /defined constructs for holding of anti-semitic views. There is thorough statistical analysis to look at differences between subpopulations in the survey. This is what happens in research.

This is really a top notch scholarly research center there. To go out and criticize these people for not knowing what they are doing is the equivalent of how some passionate people criticize climate science because it is all just based on models that cannot be proven. Sounds a lot the same.

Really, you could just say "I don't understand survey techniques, but I trust my gut and my got doesn't like the idea that German leftists would be anti-semitic so I need more convincing than just a few surveys and a few rowdy crowds." Fair enough.

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Has anyone ever found the DNA code for scapegoating? gordianot Jul 2016 #1
Racism is raising its ugly head yet again. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #2
Numbers would be higher with truth serum 6chars Jul 2016 #3
It's an online survey and the methodology seems a bit shoddy, so I'm not really sure if the results Little Tich Jul 2016 #4
it would be nice to know if there are any anti-Semites among the German left 6chars Jul 2016 #5
That poster believes it's not antisemitic to support Hamas' murdering of Jews. shira Jul 2016 #6
that's what some on the German left believe... 6chars Jul 2016 #7
The problem is that there's no serious survey that can reveal German leftist attitudes towards Jews. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
If you cannot be persuaded that support for Hamas murdering Jews is anti-semitic.... shira Jul 2016 #9
So a shoddy survey can be made unshoddy by your use of the Hamas dogwhistle? Little Tich Jul 2016 #10
People who support Hamas murdering innocent random Jews are antisemites. shira Jul 2016 #11
It's as if we're posting in different threads. n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #12
Simple question for you proving my point. Is it antisemitic.... shira Jul 2016 #13
We seem to differ on what we believe is important for a survey. Little Tich Jul 2016 #15
What do you know about reliability of surveys? shira Jul 2016 #17
There's currently no serious survey about German leftist attitudes towards Jews that I know of. Little Tich Jul 2016 #19
many surveys do not have control groups 6chars Jul 2016 #21
I don't like accusing German leftists of being anti-Semitic without proof, is all. Little Tich Jul 2016 #22
i don't think you would consider anything proof 6chars Jul 2016 #23
If that survey asked Leftist Germans whether they support "resistance to occupation"....... shira Jul 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #16
Tich doesn't believe the experts on the definition of antisemitism... shira Jul 2016 #18
There's no indication of how the results of the survey came about. Little Tich Jul 2016 #20
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