Creative Speculation

William Seger

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59. There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 09:13 AM

Mar 2013

... which is a common problem when you start with a conclusion, and impugning the motives of people who can see that is simply piling on the irrationality.

What we learned on 9/11 was that we had completely inadequate defenses against hijackings -- something that apparently was as obvious to the hijackers as it was to me -- and that we were completely unprepared to defend against hijacked passenger jets being used as guided bombs by suicidal fanatics.

Why that was so is a valid question, but I can't think of anything less relevant to any real issue than your personal incredulity that it could happen.

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Conspiracy v. fact 9/11 [View all] Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 OP

My favorite.... Frank_Norris_Lives Feb 2013 #1

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My apologies..... Frank_Norris_Lives Mar 2013 #46

thanks for reply. tomk52 Mar 2013 #51

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Ok Prog_gun_owner Feb 2013 #3

I don't know what the fuck "Thur-mate" is. AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #4

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I am saying that ... tomk52 Mar 2013 #16

A well-reasoned explanation for the smoke trail: greyl Mar 2013 #19

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... said Frank, rubbing his sore ass. William Seger Mar 2013 #43

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What you scoffin' at, Willis?? tomk52 Mar 2013 #53

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That is the 10' EXIT hole in the Pentagon E ring - not the entrance hole in the facade. hack89 Mar 2013 #50

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On NIST site ocpagu Mar 2013 #35

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There's nothing resembling sound premises or valid logical inferences in your argument William Seger Mar 2013 #59

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