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In reply to the discussion: Just what is "The Patriarchy"? [View all]
 

stevenleser

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26. I do not agree with what has been presented as Kyriarchy. I don't think priviledge is that complex
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:18 AM
Feb 2012

nor is its effect on power complex. I think there is one dominant class/cohort in terms of priviledge, and everyone else does not enjoy priviledge.

To my way of thinking, in our society, straight-white-christian-males hold the priviledge. No one else has it.

To me, it does not make sense to say that a straight African American Christian woman has straight priviledge, for instance. Women of color are among the most discriminated against cohorts in the world. It does not make sense to me to say that a gay white christian male has male priviledge, or white priviledge. The discrimination that gay males endure is also pretty severe.

If you are not a straight-white-christian-male, you do not have priviledge. There are differences in terms of how much oppression you experience and how severe your particular cohort affects your ability to succeed occupationally/economically, but I wouldn't call that "a complex pyramidal system of intersecting multiplicative social structures of superordination and subordination, of ruling and oppression." It's really pretty simple. You are a straight-white-christian-male, or you aren't.

I say this as a straight male raised Jewish with both African American and Latino ancestry. You can see what I look like from my photo. I'm ethnic looking. I can't hide it. It has been clear at times throughout my life that various groups of 'straight-white-christian-males' have considered me 'the other'. Some of those situations I laughed off, some werent so funny. I found it hard to be amused when a kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up asked my girlfriend "why are you dating that black guy?". I also recognize that my position hasn't been nearly as bad as that of for instance, women of color or a member of the LGBT community, but I am also clearly not in 'the club'.

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Just what is "The Patriarchy"? [View all] redqueen Feb 2012 OP
If you have to ask Aerows Feb 2012 #1
Thank you for posting this. William769 Feb 2012 #2
We don't, cher Aerows Feb 2012 #3
Thanks Redqueen. Texasgal Feb 2012 #4
This is interesting - thanks for posting it. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #5
It's part of class... redqueen Feb 2012 #6
I just saw that word for the first time earlier this week. Is it safe to say Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #13
Not really, not IMO... redqueen Feb 2012 #17
Okay - I got ya now. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #19
My pleasure... redqueen Feb 2012 #20
This is the patriarchy justiceischeap Feb 2012 #7
Yes that picture on DU front page is Clear as a Bell The empressof all Feb 2012 #9
A picture really is worth a thousand words Lisa D Feb 2012 #10
Yep. That is the problem right there. Rex Feb 2012 #11
5 men in front and 7 more seated right behind them. Lisa D Feb 2012 #12
You know why. Rex Feb 2012 #15
This *enrages* me. MadrasT Feb 2012 #14
I really hope that Rachel Maddow, the Daily Show Lisa D Feb 2012 #16
Looks like Congress. yardwork Feb 2012 #18
That pic is so apt for this thread. So timely. So enraging. CrispyQ Feb 2012 #21
Posted to facebook. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #23
Nothing could be more clear than that photo. DevonRex Feb 2012 #38
Great post Lisa D Feb 2012 #8
Thanks, Redqueen. kdmorris Feb 2012 #22
That "kyriarchy" term is very interesting - I picture it as a multi-dimensional petronius Feb 2012 #24
Visuals are always good - and if I am understanding this correctly, I like that one alot. nt Ruby the Liberal Feb 2012 #25
I do not agree with what has been presented as Kyriarchy. I don't think priviledge is that complex stevenleser Feb 2012 #26
It depends on how you define power, right? It isn't just about petronius Feb 2012 #27
I don't think so. I really think it's simple. Here's why stevenleser Feb 2012 #28
I'm not sure that's correct, though kdmorris Feb 2012 #30
But again, think about the definition: stevenleser Feb 2012 #32
Some minority groups are more oppressive to women than the American born white christian Nikia Feb 2012 #34
Hmmmm, good point. I think in the case of women, it does apply. nt stevenleser Feb 2012 #35
I sort of understand it, but I would appreciate some clarification FrodosPet Feb 2012 #29
k&r Cameron27 Feb 2012 #31
This is a very important statement Nikia Feb 2012 #33
Thanks for the clarification. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #36
thanks for this post, redqueen. bkmrkng for future reference. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #37
Thanks for the post Tumbulu Feb 2012 #39
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