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In reply to the discussion: Blunt force trauma to the torso? [View all]

moniss

(6,199 posts)
13. First of all
Sun Jul 17, 2022, 11:48 AM
Jul 2022

I made no "claims" as you put it. You are reading in to what I'm saying. The story about her death did change. They now claim she was up the stairs when she had a heart attack and then tumbled down the stairs. Unless they have security camera footage of the event they have provided no proof that she was up the stairs. They are making assumptions and conclusions based on those assumptions. But like you they desire a quick and easy explanation for things. The NYPD and the coroner are hardly strangers to "massaging" the facts because someone desires a particular conclusion.

It is entirely possible that an elderly woman put on high heels despite her friend having already said that she was in such pain from her hip and leg that she couldn't leave the house. Should it be examined? I say yes but you say no. It is not an "extraordinary claim" as you put it. It arises from the post incident statement of her friend who says Ivana made that statement in the last few days prior to the incident. The act of putting on that kind of shoe is quite contrary to normal behavior for someone in such pain that walking out of the house is too painful. There is no way, absent camera footage, for the coroner to say she had the heart attack prior to the "blunt force injury to her torso". Despite your belief, the heart attack doesn't leave a moment by moment time stamp. Elderly people can easily suffer a major impact to their body and then have a heart attack. She may have fallen down the stairs and may not have. I see no proof provided by the coroner nor an explanation for the shoes and therefore I reserve accepting their conclusion.

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Blunt force trauma to the torso? [View all] question everything Jul 2022 OP
It seems odd... 2naSalit Jul 2022 #1
The coroner said she had a heart attack PJMcK Jul 2022 #2
The story keeps moniss Jul 2022 #5
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence PJMcK Jul 2022 #6
First of all moniss Jul 2022 #13
There's a coroner's report PJMcK Jul 2022 #20
I have no idea where moniss Jul 2022 #21
Wow PJMcK Jul 2022 #22
Someone diagnosed heart attack and called 911? LastDemocratInSC Jul 2022 #10
Thank you. This makes sense. I think that my question should have been phrased differently question everything Jul 2022 #15
I don't know why moniss Jul 2022 #3
Agree and it may have nothing to do with Ivana. The question should have been: can someone die from question everything Jul 2022 #16
I have been trying to envision the mechanics of a fall... 3catwoman3 Jul 2022 #4
Broken ribs The Unmitigated Gall Jul 2022 #7
Falls down the stairs can kill Warpy Jul 2022 #8
This brings exhausting flashbacks.. luvs2sing Jul 2022 #9
I am sorry about your loss. Bad enough to lose a relative but then to be subjected to crazy claims. question everything Jul 2022 #18
I tripped over my firepit a few weeks ago. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2022 #11
And this is the question. All of us fall and hit our torse in different parts, hurting, bruising question everything Jul 2022 #19
Surely there are CCTV and staff at this plush condo that can tell if she had "visitors". Midnight Writer Jul 2022 #12
It's unfortunate. If one can avoid stairs in old age... brush Jul 2022 #14
I keep thinking about how it was said to be a four story apartment. vanlassie Jul 2022 #17
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