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bbgrunt

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14. some great observations
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 12:20 PM
Sep 2020

and congrats on finishing the whole series.

I think the interesting thing about some of these Turkish series is how the role of women is portrayed. I'm not clear on how much is an idealized picture vs. real life, but it seems that women have a much stronger role in Turkey than in some other predominantly Muslim countries. For example, baby girls are shown to be adored (rather than an economic burden) I suppose because they become their fathers' adoring minions. (ugh--bad thought: Ivanka) And historically Turkey has been a secular society

The roller coaster between Elif and Omer was quite interesting and personally instructive in seeing how such a relationship could be balanced and loving at the same time. It's a battle that never really ends! The Pelin/Arda pairing was really unexpected for me since it seemed improbable to highlight a woman who had no ambitions for love and marriage in such a family oriented society....but, in the end, she (like the fat girl in movies who loses weight and finally becomes popular) succumbs.

Yes, Elvan was iconic, and the most serene character, but I found myself getting irritated at her insistence that everything was the result of fate. I suspect that is my ingrained "American" ambition and striving coming through.

There appears to be a distinct difference between stories set in Istanbul or Izmir and other stories set in more tribal areas (Mardin, eg) that are much more provincial. But in both cases, most of the stories are more secular than one expects although certain patriarchal characteristics are always present.

I'm glad you enjoyed it and I've really enjoyed reading your observations and discussion about it. Too many, I think, are put off by either dealing with subtitles or the more intense and passionate presentation of material (and masculinity) to appreciate the finer aspects...... I hope your friend gets as much enjoyment from it. Maybe we can start a club.

So thanks, and if you're interested in expanding beyond Netflix, there are several websites (although they change frequently) that specialize in English subtitles of Turkish serials/movies. One is:

https://raindizi.com/

And finally, I do love how they emphasize smell as an aspect of attachment!

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it's a very interesting show bbgrunt Aug 2020 #1
Thanks! Now I see why some epsidoes pick up exactly where they left off... eleny Aug 2020 #2
Is it subtitled in English? If yes, even more exhausting Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #3
At least the subtitles stay on the screen long enough to read them eleny Aug 2020 #8
Lol!! So aren't the " too fast to read" subtitles beacsuse Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #10
I'm not getting that impression eleny Aug 2020 #11
I just find that Scandinavian folk speak really fast. Fla Dem Sep 2020 #17
PS. Still our Netflix fav. "Manhunt" Australian TV show Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #4
I think it is called "Wanted" on Netflix and bbgrunt Aug 2020 #6
Yes, 'WANTED"- big duh on my part. Any other Netflix hot tips? Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #7
I've got to check this out eleny Sep 2020 #27
Hope you like it! Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2020 #29
ha! you did well! bbgrunt Aug 2020 #5
Yes, about the family ties that develop eleny Aug 2020 #9
wow, you're just chugging on through bbgrunt Aug 2020 #12
Just finished Saturday evening - Random thoughts eleny Sep 2020 #13
some great observations bbgrunt Sep 2020 #14
Scent of a Woman! (Beware Spoilers) eleny Sep 2020 #15
Oh, be still my heart! bbgrunt Sep 2020 #16
Two thoughts with spoilage eleny Sep 2020 #18
well, this is in response to your later post--(two thoughts with spoilage) to counteract bbgrunt Sep 2020 #19
Nilufer's result - spoilers eleny Sep 2020 #20
yes, I thought Asli's pairing at the end bbgrunt Sep 2020 #24
Quick note of full disclosure! eleny Sep 2020 #33
P.S. What's the SK series? nt eleny Sep 2020 #21
SK refers to Sefirin Kizi which I mentioned in an earlier post bbgrunt Sep 2020 #22
"Engin stuff"? Never boring eleny Sep 2020 #23
For Sefirin Kizi there is bbgrunt Sep 2020 #25
So the female lead in Fatmagul is also the lead in the current Netflix series, The Gift eleny Sep 2020 #26
We've been talking about the ending a little - Spoilers eleny Sep 2020 #28
I see you are thoroughly enjoying the 2nd view bbgrunt Sep 2020 #30
I agree ---- Spoilers eleny Sep 2020 #34
The lead in Fatmagul and the Gift bbgrunt Sep 2020 #31
I like her a lot eleny Sep 2020 #32
All I can say is bbgrunt Sep 2020 #35
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