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HereSince1628

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20. Sort of, though I'm questioning uncritical acceptance of culturally defined 'good' things
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 08:31 AM
Oct 2013

like patience, hope, courage/bravery.

Your straw-man example about marriage is easy to see, because it conflicts with a norm of our culture. What I wrote about is a more difficult view--that what culture norms asks of the ill may not be what the ill can give, may be questionably healthy, and may be shouldn't be a facile expectation of the ill, after all.

Culture defines how social roles play out in daily life. We learn these roles. We know what's expected and mostly we do it without question. Knowing these roles makes social life easier and less conflicted. Being ill comes not only with some pathological dysfunction but also with role definitions.

Cultural expectations for the role of mentally ill-person include 'sanctioned goodness' such as being patient, hopeful, and brave. But the socially sanctioned behaviors of the role aren't meant to only serve the ill person. They also serve all those who encounter the ill person. With respect to the ill person cultural role expectations may be situationally inappropriate and qualitatively the same as asking/expecting a depressed person to get up off the couch/bed and become cheerfully productive.

The goodness of normed expectations may be truly believed. Beliefs may be repeated with the best of intentions. I don't question that. On critical inspection, repetition of sanctioned role characteristics is inescapably, intentionally or not, a lot about the indoctrinating effect of reiteration of beliefs and expectations about how to play roles, even roles of mentally ill-persons.




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Great question. I don't think many "normal" people understand just how hard this is. Denninmi Oct 2013 #1
Thank you for the amazing post, Denninmi. Tobin S. Oct 2013 #2
Ah, I just call 'em like I see 'em. Denninmi Oct 2013 #3
The best advice I ever got but only started taking recently Tobin S. Oct 2013 #4
Checked myself in. Bertha Venation Oct 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Tobin S. Oct 2013 #6
Can I ask you a couple of ?'s. Denninmi Oct 2013 #7
I believed it would help. Bertha Venation Oct 2013 #9
Yes, thank you. Denninmi Oct 2013 #10
re the iron fist Bertha Venation Oct 2013 #13
You are a "class act all around." hunter Oct 2013 #19
Bravery seems a fine quality, the expectation that the ill display it? Maybe not HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Tobin S. Oct 2013 #11
As I said I'm not against bravery, I'm not for cowardice. HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Tobin S. Oct 2013 #14
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Sort of, though I'm questioning uncritical acceptance of culturally defined 'good' things HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #20
Most of my life I've been a dysfuntional person in normal society. hunter Oct 2013 #21
Generally speaking, many of us would expect mentally ill to not conform to cultural expectations HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #22
There's clearly an autistic sort of *something* from one of my grandfathers... hunter Oct 2013 #23
Hunter, I think a lot of what you said is spot on. Denninmi Oct 2013 #24
I've never been brave. That's what it feels like to me. hunter Oct 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Tobin S. Oct 2013 #17
Thank you. hunter Oct 2013 #18
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