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In reply to the discussion: Good guy with a gun [View all]

Straw Man

(6,799 posts)
22. Large, poorly fitting gloves.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:32 PM
Dec 2015

The guy who bursts into the room is wearing tight-fitting gloves that appear to be leather. The "trainees" are wearing some kind of stiff, oversized gloves that were probably just given to them, since they are all wearing the same type. Watch them fumbling with their bag zippers, etc. Also, the "attacker" already has his gun drawn and his finger on the trigger; any awkwardness caused by gloves would be encountered in drawing the gun and getting one's finger in the trigger guard, something he has already done before entering the room.

Yes, SWAT teams wear helmets, goggles, and balaclavas. They also train with them extensively. The people in this "experiment" were wearing them for the first time. In a real classroom, an armed student would not be wearing any of that gear. No gloves, no helmet, no goggles, and none of the concomitant difficulty in gun handling.

The "armed students" have been placed front and center in the classroom, and the shooter has been prepped and knows exactly who they are. The shooters go for them immediately after shooting the instructor, despite there being no indication at this point that any of them are armed.

The assailant's gun is blue. "Blue guns" are plastic replicas that are used as training aids. The first thought that anyone in a firearms training classroom would have is that this was simply a vivid demonstration. This would inhibit a fast response. I'm betting that the armed students were never quite sure that an actual attack was in progress -- and in fact, it wasn't. Their first impulse on seeing the blue gun would have been correct: no threat here.

And despite all this, in the last one, Danielle lands what would have been a disabling shot -- a hit near the femoral artery that, with a hollowpoint bullet, would have caused massive bleeding and possibly have been fatal. She was hit multiple times, of course, and would have died too, but how many lives would she have saved?

This ABC video is nothing but hack propaganda. They don't deserve to be called journalists.

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Good guy with a gun [View all] SecularMotion Dec 2015 OP
A more serious report from ABC...same results Human101948 Dec 2015 #1
Citing as evidence an example in which people were set up to fail? beevul Dec 2015 #3
You think that you will have better results in a situation like San Bernadino and other shootings? Human101948 Dec 2015 #4
Lets just cut to the chase shall we? beevul Dec 2015 #6
You will never be in that situation... Human101948 Dec 2015 #8
Thats a non-answer answer. beevul Dec 2015 #10
I will not carry a gun based on a scenario that will never happen... Human101948 Dec 2015 #11
And nobody suggested that you should. beevul Dec 2015 #15
That's like asking if I want oygen when I wake up and find myself on the moon... Human101948 Dec 2015 #19
Yes, I do.... S_B_Jackson Dec 2015 #31
Too bad you'll never get to test those skills... Human101948 Dec 2015 #32
I hope fervently never to need those skills at anything other than a friendly competition. S_B_Jackson Dec 2015 #34
I remember that old video. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #20
Seriously? gejohnston Dec 2015 #2
It's a humor show... Human101948 Dec 2015 #5
Let me get this strait. beevul Dec 2015 #7
More realistic than your fantasy of saving the day with or without gloves... Human101948 Dec 2015 #9
Tell me more... beevul Dec 2015 #12
Keep fantasizing! Human101948 Dec 2015 #14
If thats the best you can do... beevul Dec 2015 #16
ooooh! That hurts! Human101948 Dec 2015 #18
If you had been paying attention ... Straw Man Dec 2015 #25
no it wasn't a realistic test gejohnston Dec 2015 #27
Like the ABC experiment? Straw Man Dec 2015 #13
Oven mitts? Human101948 Dec 2015 #17
Large, poorly fitting gloves. Straw Man Dec 2015 #22
Keep telling yourself.... Human101948 Dec 2015 #23
Who knows? Straw Man Dec 2015 #24
That was a riot! Thanks for the morning humor! ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #21
Gun control fans aren't terribly bright DonP Dec 2015 #26
Dreams of glory.... Human101948 Dec 2015 #28
I'm sure your telepsychology diploma tells you everything anyway DonP Dec 2015 #29
In old-time T.V., this was called syndicated re-run. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #30
You have to ask yourself, why was this segment produced? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #33
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