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beevul

(12,194 posts)
53. I don't see any lies. I see strawmen. Now deconstructed.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jan 2016
one of the gun lobby’s worst lies among too many to count: That there’s just no market for smarter guns that would save lives.


I've never seen that argument made by 'the gun lobby' or more specifically, the nra.

All I see, is someone claiming, with zero evidence provided, that it happened.


Plus, the ability to remotely disable a stolen weapon would surely reduce gun thefts — which happen more than 200,000 times a year, fuel much if not most violent street crime and also create new business for gun manufacturers.


How can it be done, so that a 'stolen gun' can be remotely deactivated, while lawfully owned guns can not?

Like it or not, that's a legitimate concern, and its not going to go away. I wouldn't want some asshat criminal remotely disabling someones smart gun, similar to how hackers have hacked into numerous auto operating systems. Again, that's a legitimate concern.

I bet if we asked the author, he would still insist that private sales of firearms are a huge problem, in spite of claiming that stolen guns "fuel much if not most violent street crime".



The National Rifle Association has long insisted that Americans have no interest in smart-gun technology.


Another very specific claim about the nra, with zero evidence provided.


That number, never credible, is demonstrably proven wrong. On the very remote chance that it was accurate at the time of the survey, events like mass shootings have surely changed attitudes, while smartphones and GPS have acclimated millions to the powers of technology.


Its not demonstrably proven wrong anywhere in this OPINION piece. Its also never proven that the results of the NSSF survey was never credible. The author as much as admits it, when he says "never credible" and then admits in the next sentence that at the very least theres a "very remote chance".

More people are against gun control now than before all these mass shootings the author cites, so that talking point was a falsehood.

And smartphones and GPS have shown the people that actually USE them, that they're less than 100 percent reliable for regular duty, let alone if ones life is on the line. Another talking point deconstructed.

As the public-health researchers put it in an accompanying editorial in the American Journal of Public Health, “This suggests a substantial market exists for childproof guns among potential purchasers of new guns.”


Pay close attention folks. The "this" in the above paragraph refers to all the falsehoods contained in the previous paragraph. Yes, it really does. Unbelievable huh?

In the perverse logic of gun zealots, the mere idea of a smart gun is distorted into a threat against Second Amendment rights: If smart guns are allowed, they will soon be mandated; then all guns will be tracked; then all guns will be confiscated.


Another strawman. The argument is not that "they will soon be mandated". The argument IS that mandating them has already been done, and the intentions behind it are clear. See NJ. Oh, and 'perverse'? The author needs to sit down and read the cheerleading replies from our anti-gun friends about "the right people" being killed by guns, if he wants to see perverse.


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But how can I use my gun against the gubmint jackboots if they can turn it off???? Human101948 Jan 2016 #1
Not all government oppressors wear jackboots. Some wore white bedsheets and hoods. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3
That's a pipedream of idiots, a SD firearm is for personal and family safety. ileus Jan 2016 #16
One of my analysts is from the Urkraine. beardown Jan 2016 #20
Are you worried sarisataka Jan 2016 #21
You betcha! Human101948 Jan 2016 #22
Funny you mention that, gejohnston Jan 2016 #23
Ha! Kind of feel the same way. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #31
Trump does kind give off gejohnston Feb 2016 #54
I have a Samsung Galaxy 5S krispos42 Jan 2016 #2
How often has your gun saved your life? Human101948 Jan 2016 #4
As many times as my gun has krispos42 Jan 2016 #5
let the police use them first Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #7
Perhaps it would even the odds... Human101948 Jan 2016 #8
glad you agree they do not work Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #9
Don't have any evidence one way or the other... Human101948 Jan 2016 #10
I know how well my phone works. Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11
" Murders" by police? TeddyR Jan 2016 #13
Yes, instead they use the reliable Glock Human101948 Jan 2016 #18
So switch to the M&P...oops! More accidental discharges! Human101948 Jan 2016 #19
what it really means is that gejohnston Jan 2016 #25
don't pull the trigger Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #29
Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #50
How many of those 1,000's of civilians were lawfully and legitimately shot branford Jan 2016 #41
Source? NT mog75 Feb 2016 #57
It only takes once...a risk many aren't willing to take. ileus Jan 2016 #17
How many times has your seatbelt or fire extinguisher saved your life? beevul Jan 2016 #51
We covered this over here: flamin lib Feb 2016 #58
The biometrics wasn't put to rest krispos42 Feb 2016 #60
No, it's not. Proven reliable just like seatbelts. Nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #61
Which system? the print reader or the transponder? krispos42 Feb 2016 #62
WTF difference does it make? flamin lib Feb 2016 #63
Interesting video- but most 'stupid' guns are very reliable these days,... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #64
Okay, the transponder technology. krispos42 Feb 2016 #65
The Mossberg technology works at 2 to 5 inches, has passed mil spec testing and is under testing for flamin lib Feb 2016 #67
Most gun rights supporters don't oppose the technology or further research per se. branford Feb 2016 #68
Moving the goal posts while doing everything possible to prevent the technology from flamin lib Feb 2016 #69
Where did I "move the goalposts?" branford Feb 2016 #72
Please see reply 71. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #73
Ah, the "people who don't agree with me are unreasonable" position, branford Feb 2016 #75
Spectacular news. krispos42 Feb 2016 #70
I am fucking done with this conversation. flamin lib Feb 2016 #71
Passing mil spec does not equal proven and reliable, no less for all lawful civilian purposes. branford Feb 2016 #74
I'd be interested in reading about the Mossberg krispos42 Feb 2016 #76
Armatek tested their gun in every conceivable environment. flamin lib Feb 2016 #79
Considering your vehemence that these guns be accepted wholesale and in large quantities... krispos42 Feb 2016 #80
I've got enough evidence to form some definite conclusions about you. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #81
If you believe these "smart guns" have proven their value and reliability, branford Feb 2016 #82
The same could well be said about many people- including you. nt friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #85
"You lose. You get nothing. Good day sir." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #77
Everyone is done conversing, until they aren't. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #83
. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #84
they better work better than my phone Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #6
I love the polling on this in the linked article krispos42 Jan 2016 #12
I'm not opposed to smart gun technology TeddyR Jan 2016 #14
Guns are mechanical, whatever you "smart" them up with can be removed. ileus Jan 2016 #15
IMHO if smart guns were mandated by law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #26
As a firearm owner I will not buy one of these smart. Firearms are simple tools, that is why they Waldorf Jan 2016 #24
The folks that want smart guns and smart gun laws.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27
Those are the standard NRA arguments against smart guns SecularMotion Jan 2016 #28
until then Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #30
How would you feel about Bloomberg as Hillary's VP? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #32
Will it become your new favorite group? beevul Jan 2016 #33
I think he likes Google Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #35
when they block you Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #34
I've visited that group a couple times. I could swear I saw a couple tumbleweeds blowing about. Waldorf Jan 2016 #44
only a couple Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #45
How would you feel about sarisataka Jan 2016 #36
Bloomberg running against Bernie running against Trump? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #37
So would you encourage people to sarisataka Jan 2016 #38
I support Hillary as long as she is in the race. SecularMotion Jan 2016 #43
I don't see Bloomberg sarisataka Jan 2016 #47
Well... beevul Jan 2016 #52
I don't think so gejohnston Jan 2016 #40
Bloomberg isn't going to be anyone's VP gejohnston Jan 2016 #39
I think the strongest ticket for the Democratic Party would be Clinton-Castro SecularMotion Jan 2016 #46
I can think of a few better Democratic candidates other than Clinton gejohnston Jan 2016 #48
Ooooooo I know. Double your influence! beevul Jan 2016 #49
So it appears you do agree that they are less reliable than todays firearms and more expensive. :) Waldorf Jan 2016 #42
They already are. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #59
So let the market do its thing and stop mandating them before the technology is mature hack89 Feb 2016 #66
I don't see any lies. I see strawmen. Now deconstructed. beevul Jan 2016 #53
Another blue-ribbon post. pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #55
Well... beevul Feb 2016 #56
I'm waiting for the day ... Straw Man Feb 2016 #78
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