Gun Control & RKBA

branford

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72. Where did I "move the goalposts?"

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:01 PM

Feb 2016

If permitting the technology is a means to ban tens of millions of reliable firearms. opposition to the technology is smart and effective politics.

Gun control proponents are the ones who made this issue a binary choice between smart guns or no guns. Blame yourselves for the current predicament.

In any event, there are no legal impediments stopping research into "smart gun" technology, nor preventing anyone from adopting it. As I and many others have observed, the best way to convince gun owners and gun rights supporters of the value of the technology is for law enforcement and the military to use it extensively under harsh conditions and prove it reliable.

Whether you like it or not, you're demanding gun owners adopt unproven technologies and give up tens, if not hundreds, of millions of perfectly reliable firearms. That's foolish and never going to happen.

If you want "smart guns," establish their inherent reliability over time, and then let the market freely decide that they're the best choice for self-defense, sport, and other lawful purposes.

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NRA lies smartly exposed: The truth about consumer demand for life-saving smart guns [View all] SecularMotion Jan 2016 OP

But how can I use my gun against the gubmint jackboots if they can turn it off???? Human101948 Jan 2016 #1

Not all government oppressors wear jackboots. Some wore white bedsheets and hoods. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #3

That's a pipedream of idiots, a SD firearm is for personal and family safety. ileus Jan 2016 #16

One of my analysts is from the Urkraine. beardown Jan 2016 #20

Are you worried sarisataka Jan 2016 #21

You betcha! Human101948 Jan 2016 #22

Funny you mention that, gejohnston Jan 2016 #23

Ha! Kind of feel the same way. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #31

Trump does kind give off gejohnston Feb 2016 #54

I have a Samsung Galaxy 5S krispos42 Jan 2016 #2

How often has your gun saved your life? Human101948 Jan 2016 #4

As many times as my gun has krispos42 Jan 2016 #5

let the police use them first Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #7

Perhaps it would even the odds... Human101948 Jan 2016 #8

glad you agree they do not work Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #9

Don't have any evidence one way or the other... Human101948 Jan 2016 #10

I know how well my phone works. Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #11

" Murders" by police? TeddyR Jan 2016 #13

Yes, instead they use the reliable Glock Human101948 Jan 2016 #18

So switch to the M&P...oops! More accidental discharges! Human101948 Jan 2016 #19

what it really means is that gejohnston Jan 2016 #25

don't pull the trigger Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #29

Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #50

How many of those 1,000's of civilians were lawfully and legitimately shot branford Jan 2016 #41

Source? NT mog75 Feb 2016 #57

It only takes once...a risk many aren't willing to take. ileus Jan 2016 #17

How many times has your seatbelt or fire extinguisher saved your life? beevul Jan 2016 #51

We covered this over here: flamin lib Feb 2016 #58

The biometrics wasn't put to rest krispos42 Feb 2016 #60

No, it's not. Proven reliable just like seatbelts. Nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #61

Which system? the print reader or the transponder? krispos42 Feb 2016 #62

WTF difference does it make? flamin lib Feb 2016 #63

Interesting video- but most 'stupid' guns are very reliable these days,... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #64

Okay, the transponder technology. krispos42 Feb 2016 #65

The Mossberg technology works at 2 to 5 inches, has passed mil spec testing and is under testing for flamin lib Feb 2016 #67

Most gun rights supporters don't oppose the technology or further research per se. branford Feb 2016 #68

Moving the goal posts while doing everything possible to prevent the technology from flamin lib Feb 2016 #69

Where did I "move the goalposts?" branford Feb 2016 #72

Please see reply 71. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #73

Ah, the "people who don't agree with me are unreasonable" position, branford Feb 2016 #75

Spectacular news. krispos42 Feb 2016 #70

I am fucking done with this conversation. flamin lib Feb 2016 #71

Passing mil spec does not equal proven and reliable, no less for all lawful civilian purposes. branford Feb 2016 #74

I'd be interested in reading about the Mossberg krispos42 Feb 2016 #76

Armatek tested their gun in every conceivable environment. flamin lib Feb 2016 #79

Considering your vehemence that these guns be accepted wholesale and in large quantities... krispos42 Feb 2016 #80

I've got enough evidence to form some definite conclusions about you. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #81

If you believe these "smart guns" have proven their value and reliability, branford Feb 2016 #82

The same could well be said about many people- including you. nt friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #85

"You lose. You get nothing. Good day sir." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #77

Everyone is done conversing, until they aren't. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #83

. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #84

they better work better than my phone Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #6

I love the polling on this in the linked article krispos42 Jan 2016 #12

I'm not opposed to smart gun technology TeddyR Jan 2016 #14

Guns are mechanical, whatever you "smart" them up with can be removed. ileus Jan 2016 #15

IMHO if smart guns were mandated by law... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #26

As a firearm owner I will not buy one of these smart. Firearms are simple tools, that is why they Waldorf Jan 2016 #24

The folks that want smart guns and smart gun laws.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2016 #27

Those are the standard NRA arguments against smart guns SecularMotion Jan 2016 #28

until then Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #30

How would you feel about Bloomberg as Hillary's VP? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #32

Will it become your new favorite group? beevul Jan 2016 #33

I think he likes Google Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #35

when they block you Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #34

I've visited that group a couple times. I could swear I saw a couple tumbleweeds blowing about. Waldorf Jan 2016 #44

only a couple Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #45

How would you feel about sarisataka Jan 2016 #36

Bloomberg running against Bernie running against Trump? SecularMotion Jan 2016 #37

So would you encourage people to sarisataka Jan 2016 #38

I support Hillary as long as she is in the race. SecularMotion Jan 2016 #43

I don't see Bloomberg sarisataka Jan 2016 #47

Well... beevul Jan 2016 #52

I don't think so gejohnston Jan 2016 #40

Bloomberg isn't going to be anyone's VP gejohnston Jan 2016 #39

I think the strongest ticket for the Democratic Party would be Clinton-Castro SecularMotion Jan 2016 #46

I can think of a few better Democratic candidates other than Clinton gejohnston Jan 2016 #48

Ooooooo I know. Double your influence! beevul Jan 2016 #49

So it appears you do agree that they are less reliable than todays firearms and more expensive. :) Waldorf Jan 2016 #42

They already are. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #59

So let the market do its thing and stop mandating them before the technology is mature hack89 Feb 2016 #66

I don't see any lies. I see strawmen. Now deconstructed. beevul Jan 2016 #53

Another blue-ribbon post. pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #55

Well... beevul Feb 2016 #56

I'm waiting for the day ... Straw Man Feb 2016 #78