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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: I'm afraid. [View all]

gejohnston

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14. you proved my point
Mon May 2, 2016, 07:40 PM
May 2016

You brought up the Kellermann studies, which was debunked as a shill study. He origionally claimed that it was forty something, then seven, then twice. When he attracted the attention of criminologists because his claims was far out of the mainstream of their studies. When asked for his data and methods for peer review, he refused for several years. When he finally did, the flaws were obvious and published. Since then, he adjusted his numbers based on the same flawed data and still failed any kind of peer review.
The same study also showed that illegal drug use, using alcohol, and renting were higher risk factors than guns.
http://guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html
BTW, Kellerman is an MD who didn't follow the scientific method.
Defensive gun use rarely leads to death of bad guy. There are about three hundred per year. Most of the time the gun is a "mind changer".

Guns only offer the illusion of safety (remembering that as many people die at the end of a gun per month in America as died on 9/11) and MULTIPLE studies have shown that guns in your home are a large threat to your family..
Almost all of which are in the twenty worst cities and in the drug trade or member of a gang. Sixty percent of all gun deaths are suicides. The Homicides don't come close to that number. If you are not a member of a gang in the twenty worst cities, you have a lower chance of being murdered than you do in Germany. Since heroin deaths outnumber murders regardless of weapons, perhaps we should ban heroin? Oh wait. Drug overdoses out number all gun deaths combined.

Come back when you have a collection of peer reviewed studies that were published in CRIMINOLOGY journals. Everything else is agiprop. The consensus of criminologists is that gun laws have zero effect on crime.
Why do you assume I have it for protection? They have always been there growing up, most people own them, and the last gun homicide was two decades ago. The last homicide was last year, killed with bare hands.

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I'm afraid. [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP
I'm always tickled by those who say gun owners live in fear Press Virginia May 2016 #1
My personal opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #2
well my first line of defense is the dogs Press Virginia May 2016 #3
That's a good first option, I believe in the USMC rules for gun fighting... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #7
Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #4
there is no evidence to support the claim gejohnston May 2016 #5
lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #9
So in order for a action to qualify as... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #11
I'm not EdwardBernays May 2016 #13
Well... okay then discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #16
you proved my point gejohnston May 2016 #14
re: "They offer an illusion of safety..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #6
Cops carry EdwardBernays May 2016 #8
Are you saying that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #10
I'm saying EdwardBernays May 2016 #12
cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #15
Not even vaguely true EdwardBernays May 2016 #22
I do, I also know what I'm reading. gejohnston May 2016 #23
Gun violence. Straw Man May 2016 #25
well EdwardBernays May 2016 #27
we don't have tens of thousands of accidents, gejohnston May 2016 #28
ummm EdwardBernays May 2016 #32
That is pretty low for our population gejohnston May 2016 #35
There's some truth EdwardBernays May 2016 #36
more complete nonsense gejohnston May 2016 #37
Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #39
your numbers are still wrong gejohnston May 2016 #41
Relevance? Straw Man May 2016 #30
Yes? Straw Man May 2016 #24
Sorry EdwardBernays May 2016 #26
You should be. Straw Man May 2016 #29
here EdwardBernays May 2016 #31
wrong gejohnston May 2016 #33
... and there. Straw Man May 2016 #34
Really EdwardBernays May 2016 #38
Red herrings and false premises. Straw Man May 2016 #40
I wonder... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
re: "would never call a non-gunner 'weak' or 'unprepared' or anything insulting." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #18
The Nuge.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19
Well, the Nuge kind of 'ran out the door without paying' discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #20
This is a tricky place. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #21
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