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sarisataka

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12. Thanks for the reply
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

I can appreciate honesty even if I am firmly opposed to the viewpoint expressed.

I just want to do a quick cost/benefit of a gun ban vs increased crime. For simplicity I will use the 2014 FBI crime stats-

There were an estimated 1,165,383 violent crimes (murder and non-negligent homicides, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults) reported by law enforcement.

Aggravated assaults accounted for 63.6 percent of the violent crimes reported, while robberies accounted for 28.0 percent, rape 7.2 percent, and murders 1.2 percent.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015/september/latest-crime-stats-released/latest-crime-stats-released
I will use the low number, 500,000, for DGUs from the CDC report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence - See more at: http://www.nationalacademies.org/hmd/Reports/2013/Priorities-for-Research-to-Reduce-the-Threat-of-Firearm-Related-Violence.aspx#sthash.rifljO0n.dpuf

The potential cost of a gun ban is an additional 318,000 aggravated assaults, 140,000 robberies and 36,000 rapes.

The benefit is 7000-8000 less murders and 19,000 less suicides.

Of course this assumes 100% effect in each category. It can be expected that differences would offset so any change that only affects guns but not underlying violence means we have 71 additional violent crime for each homicide prevented.

That may be acceptable to you but not to me. 71 people should not be expected to "take one for the team". Gun control divorced from any plan to address the root causes of violence is placebo that merely shifts the victim pool.

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Categorize the control mentality [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP
Pro Control folks have sent 28 alerts. JonathanRackham May 2016 #1
Control folks want to control sarisataka May 2016 #2
Are you suggesting that folks in favor of gun control are also more likely to jonno99 May 2016 #3
My answer would be about 2.15 (the "only" is problematic in a few choices)... nt petronius May 2016 #4
It very much is about "control" with many them virginia mountainman May 2016 #5
mike is my hero discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #6
I can't decide between the second and fourth choices. Brickbat May 2016 #7
Pro-control here Matrosov May 2016 #8
No. You're a gun ban proponent... beevul May 2016 #10
yet countries with high gun ownership rates like gejohnston May 2016 #11
Thanks for the reply sarisataka May 2016 #12
In the interest of honesty Matrosov May 2016 #25
My experience sarisataka May 2016 #27
"don't see any detriment to society in banning firearms." CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #13
Spoken like a true conservative Matrosov May 2016 #14
Actually, a classical liberal gejohnston May 2016 #15
Are you willing to give up the rights... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #16
I don't even believe in the Bible Matrosov May 2016 #21
"Banning firearm ownership or even in outlawing certain types of hate speech" CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #23
I wouldn't call you an authoritarian for wanting to ban "hate speech" gejohnston May 2016 #28
The constitution is always questioned. That's one of the reasons we have a Supreme Court. Fla Dem May 2016 #30
It's quesitoned and re-defined CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #31
At least you are consistent TeddyR May 2016 #32
"outlawing certain types of hate speech," beergood May 2016 #33
The Constitutional Convention took place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
Do take issue with sarisataka May 2016 #19
My main issue is Matrosov May 2016 #22
I have no problem sarisataka May 2016 #24
Rights.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #26
Keep us updated on that upcoming constitutional convention discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #35
Conservatives are supportive of individual rights? Giggity May 2016 #20
have you ever beergood May 2016 #34
By that criteria, I can only assume you support banning Islam/Catholics/whatever. Giggity May 2016 #18
The pro-control mentality? Ok, here it is. beevul May 2016 #9
I chose the 3rd option. Most controllers are well-fitted to standard prohibitionist behavior. Eleanors38 May 2016 #29
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