vpc study: Study: SELF-PROTECTIVE BEHAVIORS, BY TYPE OF CRIME, 2012-2014
"Threatened or attacked with a firearm"
dscnt: Note: This is *not* the only type of defensive gun use. Sometimes, mere display suffices
and many DGUs are not reported to police - mine wasn't, for instance
You do understand that if a gun owner is being victimized in a crime, displaying or brandishing his own firearm is considered a counter threat, do you not? that is what is meant, in simplest terms for the table; and if firearm is displayed for merely a menacing look or frivolously, it could be considered a 'threatening' overreach.
If someone 'performs' a verbal dgu, such as 'go away or I'll get my gun', that is also considered a threat. Same as threatening to punch someone is a threat.
And if a gun owner does not report his dgu, that's his fault. Some are not reported due to the crime not being reported, which fits in with the NCVS, but also in the gunnut narrative that by reporting a dgu identifies the person as a gun owner for the horrors of gun registration purposes; and ramifications of performing a dgu but not reporting the crime - unreasonable fear they could be charged with threatening with a firearm for 'no reason'.
dscntnt: Cut to the chase- how many of these 'rare' occasions happened during the period under study? 262,500 Therefore in 2013 there were 18x as many defensive gun uses (using the VPC's own restricted definiton than there were murders via gun
You obviously overlook the premise of the VPC study, & redefine & confine it to a DGU vs murder comparison. Reread the premise of the study below:
This report analyzes, on both the national and state levels, the use of firearms in justifiable homicides. It also details, using the best data available on the national level, the total number of times guns are used for self-defense by the victims of both attempted and completed violent crimes and property crimes whether or not the use of the gun by the victim resulted in a fatality...
The flaw in dscntnt's reasoning is that validly one must compare the total number of reported & unreported crimes (18 million + 52 million = 70 million over 3 years), to the quarter million defensive gun uses over that time period.
Then you get the real deal, that dgus are only used to allegedly thwart one in 280 crimes. One of ~72 violent crimes.
(note that I get 0.35% rather than vpc's 0.2%, perhaps they are confining to one or other statistic): looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of attempted or completed property crime for the three-year period 2012 through 2014, in only 0.2 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal threatened or attacked with a firearm.
During this same three-year period, only 99,900 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used, whether it was fired or not, or whether the use of a gun would even be a legal response to the property crime. And as before, the number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers. In comparison, data from the Dept of Justice shows that an average of 232,400 guns were stolen each year from U.S. households from 2005 to 2010.
As typical for you dscntnt, your reporting is pretty leaky & sloppy, with biased & invalid conclusions on your part.
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