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EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
40. ok
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

Lobbying isn't really petitioning in a reasonable way. Lobbying is a "sell to the highest bidder" system of campaign financing. Politicians shouldn't have to be lobbied to represent their constituencies properly...and if we're honest... go spend some time on the open secrets website and see just what percentage of groups lobbying politicians represent the people and what percent represent corporations, foreign nations, and military contractors... for example.

I am for complete gun prohibition, in the same way a dad takes away a car from his son who keeps wrecking it; prove you can drive and we'll talk about giving you the keys back. I understand that some places can have guns and not have massive gun violence, but that's not America. I'm personally unwilling to just accept 30K dead Americans a year for no good reason.. or even 30K - 10% or 30K - 20%. No American SHOULD be, and if it was say, terrorism killing 30K a year Americans wouldn't be. Why we all just shrug when guns kill as many in 5-6 weeks as died on 9/11 is really unfathomable... well, it would be if you never met any American gun "enthusiasts".

As for Latin America, is that the goal for America? Rampant poverty, horrible infrastructure? Endemic crime?

I find these sorts of comparisons frankly nonsensical. We're not Costa Rica or Columbia, but if you wanna compare us, did you know that Louisiana has a similar gun violence rate to Costa Rico?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

It's also worse than the gun violence rate in Mexico, Paraguay, Peru and Argentina.

And it has a 44% gun ownership rate.

That's a US state, part of one of the richest countries in the world...

And yet Costa Rica's "healthcare system is ranked higher than that of the United States, despite having a fraction of its GDP" and until recently is had fewer uninsured people per capita than America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica

Anyway, we shouldn't be comparing one of the richest countries in the world to Latin American countries. It's silly.

Now about the most dangerous cities list... are you sure again that comparing places like Caracas to say Denver Colorado makes any sense at all? Let's just say that very very few of the laws matter much in some parts of the world, so gun control is more of a notion than an enforced law. Is NYC not able to enforce laws any better than San Pedro Sula? The truth is that gun owners support background checks BECAUSE they think they'll work. Americans generally believe laws are enforceable, because relatively speaking they are IN AMERICA. Not so much in third world and developing countries.

I understand food deserts! many parts of Flint Michigan are more than a 10 mins drive from a 7/11 and more than a 20 mins drive from a micro-grocery store/bodega. And sure don't even start me on lead paint. America is a wreck in many many ways.


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Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #1
Are you saying that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #2
Well EdwardBernays May 2016 #3
We don't have a Scandinavian system discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #6
You're right EdwardBernays May 2016 #7
how do you know the "results" gejohnston May 2016 #9
Check it out for yourself EdwardBernays May 2016 #12
the question was about gejohnston May 2016 #16
Like I said EdwardBernays May 2016 #17
perhaps gejohnston May 2016 #18
not true EdwardBernays May 2016 #19
Yes I have checked gejohnston May 2016 #20
"...we don't have the resources to lock up every murder and rapist and violent criminal forever." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #15
More EdwardBernays May 2016 #22
I infer you're against the idea discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #24
the idea... EdwardBernays May 2016 #26
"Crime is a symptom..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #27
No worries EdwardBernays May 2016 #28
Some replies discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #33
cool EdwardBernays May 2016 #35
replies discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #51
I'm missing the connection on some of these gejohnston May 2016 #38
ok EdwardBernays May 2016 #40
Latin America is mostly middle income, gejohnston May 2016 #42
Ok 4 EdwardBernays May 2016 #47
still making an argument based on emotion and gejohnston May 2016 #50
part two gejohnston May 2016 #39
ok 2 EdwardBernays May 2016 #41
community policing isn't riding around in cars, gejohnston May 2016 #43
Ok 3 EdwardBernays May 2016 #45
cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #48
post script gejohnston May 2016 #44
As I said before EdwardBernays May 2016 #46
the only people who would obey that, gejohnston May 2016 #49
I haven't heard from you on post #15 discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #21
I just replied EdwardBernays May 2016 #23
me too, thanks n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #25
cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #8
Yes EdwardBernays May 2016 #10
I was hoping to see something more scholarly that The Atlantic gejohnston May 2016 #14
And yet... beevul May 2016 #13
Welcome to the Gungeon SecularMotion May 2016 #4
Even for the Gungeon EdwardBernays May 2016 #5
Heh. Most controllers sound more RW than folks here. But enjoy your myth. Eleanors38 May 2016 #29
Depends EdwardBernays May 2016 #31
I do not consider robust support of the Second right-wing. Nor did JFK, an NRA member. Eleanors38 May 2016 #36
wellll EdwardBernays May 2016 #37
It wasn't a pro-gun poster who said this... beevul May 2016 #30
Another gun control poster sarisataka May 2016 #32
And they say gun rights supporters on DU are supposed to be the violent ones... beevul May 2016 #34
I read an article recently TeddyR May 2016 #11
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