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Kaleva

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Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:19 PM Apr 2023

Answering the door late at night [View all]

There are couple of threads in GD and one in LBN about an armed homeowner who opened the door late in the evening with a gun in hand and was shot by police who were responding to a domestic disturbance call but went to the wrong address.


New Mexico Police Shot and Killed a Man After They Went to the Wrong House While Responding to a Dom

Officers kill homeowner after responding to wrong address

More on the deputies shooting man at wrong house?

"Body camera footage shows as the officers backed away from 5305 Valley View Avenue, the homeowner, Robert Dotson, 52, opened the screen door armed with a handgun. At this point in the encounter, officer(s) fired at least one round from their duty weapon(s) striking Mr. Dotson."

https://www.dps.nm.gov/blog/2023/04/06/state-police-investigate-ois-involving-the-farmington-police-department/

As I've mentioned a few times in the threads above, I'm unaware of any reputable self-defense expert or organization that teaches people to do what the deceased homeowner did. And to date, no one has mentioned one that does.

Several years ago when I took a class to get my state CPL, the book we used that was approved by the state is the NRA Guide to the Basics Of Personal Protection In The Home. I still have it and read it from time to time for refresher training and I certified that I had read it from beginning to end within a 6-month period before I applied for a new license last year. Chapter 14 discusses responding to a possible break in, someone pounding on the door late at night may be attempting such, and the very first step it says to do is to withdraw to safety. It does not say to go to the door with a gun in hand and open the door.

Below is a video on this subject by Massad Ayoob, a nationally recognized expert on the use of guns for self-defense:



The actions of the homeowner lead me to believe he had little to no training on the use of a gun for self/home defense. He may have had training and choose to ignore it.

While I have a CPL, I do not carry a loaded gun out in public as I do not have the desire or money to take and then practice the extra training I feel I would need in order to proficiently handle a gun in an emergency situation out in public. Prior to falling down the basement stairs last year and having my left shoulder replaced, I practiced and did home defense drills with my revolver about 3 times a week. I haven't been able to do that, so the gun is empty and locked away in a gun safe in the master bedroom and the ammo is in a locked metal ammo box in the basement. It's going to remain that way until I get back on track with my training.

We still do safe room drills where I or my wife will yell out "Safe Room!" when the other isn't expecting it and we both move as quickly as possible to the master bedroom which is the designated safe room. The bedroom door is reinforced and has a dead bolt. We also do this drill with the grandchildren when they are here.
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Still at it? Leave it alone. One trigger-happy cop, in a group of LEOs at the wrong house... brush Apr 2023 #1
Is it your opinion that Massad Ayoob is full of shit? Kaleva Apr 2023 #2
You're like a dog with a bone on this. A trigger-happy cop fucked up. Let it go. brush Apr 2023 #6
Is Massad Ayoob correct or not? Kaleva Apr 2023 #7
You are in a predicament Kaleva Apr 2023 #12
Still? Let it go, buddy. brush Apr 2023 #13
I've been advocating proper training for gun owners for years now Kaleva Apr 2023 #14
Amen! Hangingon Apr 2023 #27
The Problem, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2023 #3
I think some delude themselves into feeling empowered by a gun in hand Kaleva Apr 2023 #4
Does it matter if he went to the door? Hangingon Apr 2023 #25
And gun owners are supposed to be trained Kaleva Apr 2023 #26
Amen! Hangingon Apr 2023 #28
True. Kaleva Apr 2023 #29
The problem ... Straw Man Apr 2023 #30
Thank You For The Laugh, Dear The Magistrate Apr 2023 #31
You give yourself far too much credit. Straw Man Apr 2023 #32
Anybody who knocks on my front door have already crossed over 2 closed gates and traveled 120 yards oneshooter Apr 2023 #5
You are pretty well covered Kaleva Apr 2023 #8
That is not all oneshooter Apr 2023 #9
I think you will be ok, once you drop the ARs Fla_Democrat Apr 2023 #11
Why drop the ARs oneshooter Apr 2023 #16
Because they are weapons of war.... Fla_Democrat Apr 2023 #18
Sorry, I forgot about the 500yd 3 point range , oneshooter Apr 2023 #10
Paranoid much? nt AndyS Apr 2023 #17
Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2023 #19
No, However you seem to be oneshooter Apr 2023 #20
Hmmm, project much? AndyS Apr 2023 #22
Same ol Same ol. oneshooter Apr 2023 #23
Post removed Post removed Apr 2023 #24
What a monumentally sad thread this is. (nt) Paladin Apr 2023 #15
Why is that? oneshooter Apr 2023 #21
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