State lawmakers made concealed firearms legal without a permit. Then, more West Virginians died.

[AndyS]

30. Since you've given me time

I will take this opportunity to respond to a number of erroneous assertions, distractions and otherwise counterproductive commentary.

In post #23 in response to flagging a police officer as un fit for hire it appears you've missed the discussions of a national police database to prevent unfit police officers from getting further work as police officers. We have these discussions every time a cop commits an atrocity like watching a fellow cop choke George Floyd to death and going back to his regular shift. In the case of the officer in the Tamir Rice incident he had been denied hire for being mentally unfit during firearms training, went to a neighboring town got a job as a cop and killed Tamir Rice was fired in that job and simply got another cop job 30 miles away before being discovered as the cop who killed a child and being fired once more just to move another 30 miles and get ANOTHER cop job. Apparently you see no problem hiring such ?qualified? people, giving them guns and dominion over regular citizens. Then you comment that no single person has the power to blah blah blah second amendment rights. I'll get to that later.

Also in post 23 you question why I brought up privacy rights r.e. Facebook as if it's a foreign concept to you. I did that because in post 18 you brought up facebook.

In post #19 you make it abundantly clear that you do not know the difference between causation and correlation. Until you figure that out how about not using that gun overlord talking point as if it is the terminal point of any discussion of gun laws and the outcome they have? Just tossing it out there as if it's definitive isn't a good look.

In post #14 you toss out another absurdity in "[gun violence increased] Probably everywhere and no real correlation to a particular change in law." What? No stats? No evidence? Just vagaries like "probably"? Not only do you make excessive demands for me 'show my work' while not even attempting to support yours but there you go again with the correlation bull shit you've been fed by the gun makers.

Finally let me address 'Objectivity' as if the world and law runs on 1s and 0s with no possible human input. Is it legal for someone to purchase a gun if they have been involuntarily committed to a metal institution? NO. So who issues commitment orders? That would be a trained mental health professional who issues an OPINION. No x-ray, no MRI or CAT scan that shows a positive undeniable binary sign that this person should not have a gun. The SCOTUS seems fine with that so why shouldn't a trained police firearms instructor who has training in what to look for in unstable individuals not have his OPINION recognized? Where else in the Constitution is there room for such abhorrent rights refusing behavior? 4th amendment says ' no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,". Probable cause, not complete and total proof beyond a reasonable doubt and it's backed up by what someone says they think, not evidence. Is there any wiggle room in the 8th amendment? The one that vaguely refers to "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted". I can't find a single absolute in the whole thing, can you? No, it's left open to interpretation.

So there is some of the fallacious blathering I take issue with in just this one thread.

One mre thing; guns are the problem. Not all guns but guns in the hands of untrained, unvetted fucking idiots who should not be allowed near them.

Look, I know this is nothing more than a highschool debate to you, a counting of coup and a scoring of points. I don't have that luxury. December 14, 2012 took that away from me. This shit has touched me personally. Someday it touch you too. When it does I'll offer sympathy.