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Lugal Zaggesi

(366 posts)
23. Vietnam was never a declared "War"
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jul 2013

The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. Congress has declared war on 11 occasions, including its first declaration of war with Great Britain in 1812. Congress approved its last formal declaration of war during World War II:

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/h_multi_sections_and_teasers/WarDeclarationsbyCongress.htm

There are few things more dangerous in a democracy than allowing a President to wage secret wars without the knowledge of the country. I’ll permit Abraham Lincoln — not exactly a pacifistic worshipper of legalisms and restraints on Executive power — to explain why this is so, in an 1848 letter to a proponent of unrestrained presidential warmaking powers:

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so, whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after you have given him so much as you propose.

If, to-day, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada, to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, I see no probability of the British invading us but he will say to you be silent; I see it, if you dont.

The provision of the Constitution giving the war-making power to Congress, was dictated, as I understand it, by the following reasons. Kings had always been involving and impoverishing their people in wars, pretending generally, if not always, that the good of the people was the object. This, our Convention understood to be the most oppressive of all Kingly oppressions; and they resolved to so frame the Constitution that no one man should hold the power of bringing this oppression upon us. But your view destroys the whole matter, and places our President where kings have always stood.

http://dangerousintersection.org/2012/07/13/abe-lincolns-warning-about-allowing-a-president-alone-to-declare-war/

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we have always been at war with eastasia tularetom Jul 2013 #1
+1000 Mnemosyne Jul 2013 #2
No It's Anywhere "Over There" grilled onions Jul 2013 #3
You know a secret war is always better than a official war. obxhead Jul 2013 #4
Of course the secret war is only a secret to us... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #11
Oh, no, no. Not so. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #13
Yep. Dog Forbid somebody prints it and they find out. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #14
We're at war with them, those, not us, over there, somewhere, everywhere... Solly Mack Jul 2013 #5
Makes it easy to charge people with aiding the enemy Orrex Jul 2013 #6
And releasing the list of the folks we are at war with..... blackspade Jul 2013 #7
I suspect because disclosure would cause public outrage. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #8
Because the Citizen of the United States of America are near the top of that secret list. RC Jul 2013 #15
Your probably right. blackspade Jul 2013 #20
how has this changed in the past 12 years pasto76 Jul 2013 #9
That same worn out memo..... blackspade Jul 2013 #21
I 'm thinking... westerebus Jul 2013 #10
For our security! lolz What a sickening degeneration into corporate-militarism for profits.,. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #12
Pogo said it best. Downwinder Jul 2013 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jul 2013 #17
Not to mention all the behind the scenes situations in central and southern Africa... Ford_Prefect Jul 2013 #18
Why ctsnowman Jul 2013 #19
When was war declared? I didn't think they did that anymore, not since the Vietnam "conflict". nt valerief Jul 2013 #22
Vietnam was never a declared "War" Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #23
ProPublica is not a real journalistic entity, so they didn't have the right to that information. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #24
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