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Leopolds Ghost

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17. Feudal culture was more complicated than the black-on-black world displayed by Martin or Herbert.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:18 PM
Apr 2012

We have a lot of social history on the Middle Ages and the first thing we learn is that there's no such thing as the middle ages. If you want to look at the true dark times of the period you have to look back at the so-called Dark Ages, when the average life expectancy was similar to that of sub-saharan Africa... and even then the reason they're known as Dark Ages is because of missing records. The High Middle Ages were a period of relative prosperity, and the Black Death actually caused the end of feudalism due to the resulting labor shortages producing peasant rebellions and class levelling (the word "levelling" became a thing then). If you look at the bloodshed of warfare well that hasn't improved much. If you look at starvation and privation of the underclass, well, we just started exporting it elsewhere. Look at London's East End, where one researcher estimates that England actually killed off or deported much of its lower class to the colonies. Most present day Englishmen are biological descendants of the upper class, apparently. The lower classes did not survive the Industrial Revolution.

Tolkien was indeed going for myth, the societies in his books are all directly influenced by divine creatures and magical forces. Tolkien actually wrote a lot of background dissertations on where he felt Middle Earth fit in with his politics which were basically culturally conservative, anti-corporate, libertarian. He felt the best government was none at all.

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Don't worry, a lot of them will die. Martin kills a lot of people. One death in particular had me iris27 Jan 2012 #1
Which one had you applauding? shawn703 May 2012 #20
I tried it too, also cannot stand the characters theAntiRand Jan 2012 #2
Well like I said I'm a fan of Bran and Edward Stark. white_wolf Jan 2012 #3
Tyrion kicks ass XemaSab Jan 2012 #6
Tyrion is also my favorite Onceuponalife Jan 2012 #12
A lot of the story arcs come full circle XemaSab Jan 2012 #4
I know exactly who you are bored with. white_wolf Apr 2012 #15
The person I was bored with isn't much in either of the last two books XemaSab Apr 2012 #16
I can't wait to get to it. I've missed Daenarys and Tyrion. white_wolf Apr 2012 #18
Don't worry, everybody dies. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #5
It is being turned into a video game. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #7
To apologize for the characters caseymoz Jan 2012 #8
You are right about them being authentic. white_wolf Jan 2012 #9
Tolkien copied what was basically medieval propaganda caseymoz Jan 2012 #10
Feudal culture was more complicated than the black-on-black world displayed by Martin or Herbert. Leopolds Ghost Apr 2012 #17
We just have different terms. caseymoz Apr 2012 #19
I think a lot of what makes it so compelling and so horrifying is the authenticity XemaSab Jan 2012 #11
As you go through the series NewJeffCT Jan 2012 #13
Absolutely! FloridaJudy Apr 2012 #14
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