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David Boyle

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136. Some people would behave badly without religion

Tue Dec 3, 2024, 02:34 PM

Dec 3

Then again, "badly" may vary to people; if people don't object to adultery... there may be people who don't mind being lied to, or even killed if they're depressed. But I think the 10 Coms and Beatitudes have inspired some people.

At least some who believe in no God, may reason, as Dostoyevsky noted, "If there's no God, everything's permitted". Dostoy had his own problems (anti-Catholicism, anti-Semitism, Russian ultra-nationalism, etc.), but a stopped clock is right twice a day,;and some people may be corrupted by their atheism into saying, "I'll do what I want, I don't see anyone in the clouds stopping me, I'm not my brother's keeper, f*&k you and die."

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Christianity...Seems legit [View all] edhopper Nov 23 OP

Aren't most/all of those points also part of the other Abrahamic religions? erronis Nov 23 #1

MLK is legit, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, etc. David Boyle Nov 23 #2

You might want to do a little research on "Mother" Teresa . . . SarcasticSatyr Nov 23 #5

She wasn't perfect David Boyle Nov 23 #12

She denied morphine and pain killers because suffering was godly and good kiri Nov 23 #28

I've heard that David Boyle Nov 23 #30

Theresa was ugly in spirit and soul and loved suffering for others kiri Nov 23 #51

Widely loved David Boyle Nov 23 #52

As long as it was other people's suffering. Mariana Nov 24 #64

I've heard that before David Boyle Nov 24 #65

She could have provided them with pain relief. Mariana Dec 3 #134

She maybe could've done a better job David Boyle Dec 3 #137

Pascal's wager has been logically disproven many times over. UniqueUserName Nov 23 #7

I disagree, but good questions by you David Boyle Nov 23 #11

Pascal's wager works in reverse too. Gore1FL Nov 23 #15

Another scary hypothetical David Boyle Nov 23 #17

The problem is Pascal's wager SCantiGOP Nov 23 #55

That may not always be a problem David Boyle Nov 23 #56

Love edhopper Nov 25 #79

Rec for thoughtfulness David Boyle Nov 25 #84

Those people can be edhopper Nov 25 #99

Possibly so David Boyle Nov 25 #102

Impossible to prove. edhopper Nov 25 #103

Different opinions David Boyle Nov 25 #104

Yeah edhopper Nov 25 #106

Thx! David Boyle Nov 25 #107

Oh, and Joe Biden is a regular churchgoer David Boyle Nov 23 #19

"Joe Biden is a regular churchgoer" and ended the USA with Merrick Garland.... NT kiri Nov 23 #33

Okay, he isn't perfect David Boyle Nov 23 #36

I don't understand your reply in context of the meme LearnedHand Nov 24 #57

They may be smarties David Boyle Nov 24 #60

Mother Teresa said that the suffering... RT_Fanatic Nov 24 #58

She improved lots of people's lives David Boyle Nov 24 #61

I'm not sure you are asking yourself the right question here Major Nikon Nov 28 #119

Stalin and Mao killed zillions of people David Boyle Nov 28 #123

Ah yes, the inevitable correlation to evil deeds performed by atheists Major Nikon Dec 1 #124

Rec for effort David Boyle Dec 1 #125

I mucked up the italics David Boyle Dec 1 #126

That's kind of the whole point Major Nikon Dec 2 #130

No; David Boyle Dec 2 #133

I'm pretty sure I already covered this Major Nikon Dec 3 #135

Some people would behave badly without religion David Boyle Dec 3 #136

My problem is the people who want to force other people's children to read their Bible surfered Nov 23 #3

Trump is really no Christian, at heart David Boyle Nov 23 #9

Perfect Mr.Bee Nov 23 #4

ha David Boyle Nov 23 #13

Put The Money Down Mr.Bee Nov 23 #44

Hoax that's lasted 6 millennia. First 4 millennia, the Abrahamic and Moses hoax, 2 millennia, the Jesus/apostle hoax ancianita Nov 23 #6

Thank you David Boyle Nov 23 #10

He's not related. I looked that shit up and wouldn't have read it otherwise. ancianita Nov 23 #14

There's more than one David Limbaugh? David Boyle Nov 23 #18

Like I said, not related. There are hundreds with our name, too, you know. Not every Limbaugh spreads lies. ancianita Nov 23 #20

David Limbaugh edhopper Nov 23 #45

Also, you might want to check out the short but pithy James Finke book, The Bible Uncomplicated. ancianita Nov 23 #22

As to your first paragraph - cilla4progress Nov 23 #37

Good point. Sure. A lot of larger "causes" are ones that they are called by other humans to support. ancianita Nov 23 #41

Same with religions Bluetus Nov 24 #59

We don't know religion is false David Boyle Nov 24 #62

Was gonna add a smiley, it somehow didn't work in last post David Boyle Nov 24 #63

Exactly, it is unknowable, so ... Bluetus Nov 24 #67

I think it's a good deal David Boyle Nov 24 #68

I realize some of this may be playful, but Bluetus Nov 24 #69

Sure, many MAGA are terrible David Boyle Nov 24 #70

My personal experience is Bluetus Nov 24 #71

Okay, ath/agn folks sometimes get treated needlessly badly David Boyle Nov 24 #72

The 10C's are fine, and also ... Bluetus Nov 25 #73

Discernment is important David Boyle Nov 25 #74

The 10 Cs are an awful guide edhopper Nov 25 #80

Adultery, too David Boyle Nov 25 #92

The problem then is edhopper Nov 25 #95

Separation of church/state David Boyle Nov 25 #96

Then why is the 10 C valid. edhopper Nov 25 #98

Hah David Boyle Nov 25 #100

They served a purpose almost 4000 years ago Bluetus Nov 25 #108

There was no Moses edhopper Nov 25 #109

No Moe? David Boyle Nov 25 #110

Nope edhopper Nov 25 #112

Hmmm David Boyle Nov 25 #113

Doesn't matter to me one way or another Bluetus Nov 25 #115

Rec for thoughfulness David Boyle Nov 26 #117

Thoughtful David Boyle Nov 25 #111

"A Big Person in the Sky, watching" Gore1FL Nov 25 #81

I've thought of that David Boyle Nov 25 #85

As a human, I am not good 100% of the time, clearly. Gore1FL Nov 25 #88

Moral animals sometimes David Boyle Nov 25 #91

I'm referring to this: Gore1FL Nov 25 #93

Thx David Boyle Nov 25 #94

We don't know that leprechauns are false either Major Nikon Nov 28 #118

Like the Snoopy logo David Boyle Nov 28 #120

There is no biblical support for the holy trinity doctrine which came along long after the bible found its way to paper Major Nikon Nov 28 #121

Disagree gently David Boyle Nov 28 #122

So many claims to the TRUTH, they can't all be right. Therefore, some must be FALSE. kiri Nov 23 #42

Tell that to Joe Biden. You're misreading, if you've read it at all. ancianita Nov 23 #43

Seems cruel to leave the raped now non-virgins motherless and fatherless. kiri Nov 23 #49

The Bible has problematic aspects, from a modern point of view David Boyle Nov 23 #50

Valid 'covenants' are made between sentient, informed homo sapiens; no talking snakes kiri Nov 23 #53

HA David Boyle Nov 23 #54

Why are you spouting edhopper Nov 25 #83

Not sure it's that David Boyle Nov 25 #89

To claim all modern laws and systems edhopper Nov 25 #97

Oh, okay, I see David Boyle Nov 25 #101

Our country was an offspring of the enlightenment edhopper Nov 25 #105

I have no idea edhopper Nov 23 #46

Quantum Mechanics, Icanthinkformyself Nov 23 #8

God created everything we study, from the macro of trillions of universes to the micro of quantum energy. ancianita Nov 23 #21

Fabulous! David Boyle Nov 23 #24

Old AND new cilla4progress Nov 23 #39

Gosh, a lot more logical and believable than that sciency stuff! byronius Nov 23 #16

... ancianita Nov 23 #23

I don't understand David Boyle Nov 23 #25

whoops, it was post 23 with dots afterwards David Boyle Nov 23 #26

They're known as ellipses that are supposed to take the place of words in a post header. ancianita Nov 23 #27

Ha David Boyle Nov 23 #29

I was linking to byronius something I thought he might consider, and didn't really need a header. ancianita Nov 23 #32

This is getting hilarious David Boyle Nov 23 #35

Hey, don't blame God for ancianita Nov 23 #38

I need more sleep David Boyle Nov 23 #31

lol I hear you. Been there, too. ancianita Nov 23 #34

edhopper CentralBlueTexan Nov 23 #40

And when it did, Humanity had no idea about vastness of the universe NowsTheTime Nov 23 #47

This does happen at times David Boyle Nov 23 #48

B Obama singing "Amazing Grace" in church David Boyle Nov 24 #66

Chart DCE Nov 25 #75

what chart? edhopper Nov 25 #77

This one? JoseBalow Nov 25 #114

The graph is insulting to religious people, but David Boyle Nov 26 #116

G-d is NATURE. elleng Nov 25 #76

There are two meanings to that edhopper Nov 25 #78

"Pantheism" David Boyle Nov 25 #82

Diety or not elleng Nov 25 #86

You're a "goddess" of photography! David Boyle Nov 25 #87

LUCKY to find great place to live, elleng Nov 25 #90

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🌊 underpants Dec 1 #128

!!! David Boyle Dec 2 #131

I still consider religions to be the destroyers of humanity. They are the primary reason we are not better than this. walkingman Dec 1 #129

Generalization David Boyle Dec 2 #132