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Goblinmonger

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Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:54 PM Apr 2015

Atheist Ireland Rebukes PZ Myers [View all]

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April 7, 2015
Posted by Jack Vance at 5:07 PM

Atheist Ireland issued a statement today announcing that they are "publicly dissociating" themselves from "the hurtful and dehumanising, hateful and violent, unjust and defamatory rhetoric" of PZ Myers, author of the Pharyngula blog. They explain that the last straw was a combination of Myers' recent comments in which he described Ayaan Hirsi Ali as "happily exploiting atrocities" and dismissively referred to the chair of Atheist Ireland, Michael Nugent, as "the Irish wanker." The statement calls upon "all ethical organisations and individuals to consider how you can help to reverse his harmful impact on both individuals and the atheist movement generally."

Most of those involved in the atheist blogosphere are aware that something like this has been coming for some time. Nugent has repeatedly and publicly taken Myers to task for the sort of thing detailed in this statement. What makes this different is that the statement of public dissociation appears to be coming from the organization rather than just Nugent (i.e., it was signed by the Executive Committee).

It will be interesting to see what - if anything - happens next. Many of Myers' supporters have been publicly accusing Nugent of having some sort of vendetta against him for some time. I imagine it would be fairly easy for Myers to adopt this interpretation of events and to dismiss Nugent as some sort of high-profile troll. And yet, Myers has surprised some of us before. I suspect he's capable of behaving decently when he wants to do so.

And what of us? Many of us have already dissociated ourselves with Myers, some by simply no longer visiting his blog and others by issuing statements of our own. Will we now consider how we might help to reverse the impact of Myers' behavior? I'm still not completely sure what that would look like, but I'm open to suggestions. At the same time, I'd hate to see us get so bogged down in unproductive rifts that we lose sight of what is truly important.

http://www.atheistrev.com/2015/04/atheist-ireland-rebukes-pz-myers.html

http://atheist.ie/2015/04/atheist-ireland-dissociates-from-pz-myers/

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As would be expected, many liberal believers on DU reacted as would be expected at such news:

You'll undoubtedly be able to read their orgastic comments elsewhere.

As for here with an adult discussion, this, to me, seems like a personal pissing match. I would think someone from Ireland would have more of a sense of humor (or is it "humour&quot at being called an Irish wanker by an American. Oh, well, some people are humorless (I might make a comment about some other forum on DU right here, but I'll just sweep that under the rug for now).

This atheist doesn't feel this is such a big deal. Neither one is my leader or pope.

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Atheist Ireland Rebukes PZ Myers [View all] Goblinmonger Apr 2015 OP
That's exactly what it is. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #1
No big deal indeed. trotsky Apr 2015 #2
That's what I thought, what's up with PZ? haikugal Apr 2015 #5
It all started about 6 months ago. onager Apr 2015 #8
I actually think the case against Shermer is pretty solid. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #10
Myers has his own Troll Brigade. onager Apr 2015 #22
Yeah, from what I've read of PZ's Horde Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #23
No argument here. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #26
While some people might lap this up, I think most of us in A&A agree with Ollie Williams: LostOne4Ever Apr 2015 #3
LMAO! beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #6
Somebody help me out here. bvf Apr 2015 #4
It's hard to tell, isn't it? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #11
One shall stand... and one shall fall.... AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #16
Unclear. But I think Nugent should address the accusation, not get all huffy about being offended. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #15
It seems like Nugent thinks there is a dungheap that needs climbing Warpy Apr 2015 #7
in a thousand years edhopper Apr 2015 #9
I'm still not completely sure what that would look like, but I'm open to suggestions. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #12
But that's the only model most believers can understand. trotsky Apr 2015 #13
If fawning over public figures like DAWSKINS!@!!!!! or Myers makes atheism a religion... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2015 #14
It's a desperate 'how do I frame you as the thing you attack all the time' sort of countermeasure. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #17
Remarkably ironic, too, that comparing atheism to religion... trotsky Apr 2015 #20
"Your thing is shit" "Oh yeah? Well, well, your thing is just as shitty as my thing!" AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #21
And stop acting like PZ Myers' personal gripes skepticscott Apr 2015 #19
Agreed. bvf Apr 2015 #24
"You'll undoubtedly be able to read their orgastic comments elsewhere." Rob H. Apr 2015 #18
"sweep that under the rug for now"? Reminds me of a great toon I saw recently, mr blur Apr 2015 #25
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