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DetlefK

(16,625 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:32 PM Jan 2016

5 atheist arguments you can stop using [View all]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-atheist-arguments-which-arent-helping-anyone/

The break-down:

5. Scientific proof means literally nothing to believers. Stop demanding that they prove what they believe. You sound to them like a cracy-person for NOT believing without proof.

4. Stop pointing out logical errors in their belief-system. Again, logic means nothing to them. If mathematics say one thing and religious claims say something else, the mathematics are wrong. Always.

3. Stop badmouthing a religion for the barbaric horror-porn in their holy text. Very, very few believers are fundamentalists and most believers have a unique belief, with the supposed "holy text" merely a loose inspiration. (The holy text will be ignored or defended on a case-by-case-basis.)

2. Religion has become ingrained into society, culture and politics. You cannot blame wars on religion without taking those other factors into account. For example: Nobody has ever declared a Holy War to invade a barren and worthless landscape where nobody wants to live in the first place.

1. Stop attacking the specific faith of a specific person. (see 3.) Atheism isn't about defeating believers. And it's a waste of time to try to destroy every single, unique religious belief that every single, unique person holds.





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re 5: I suggest pointing out the merits of the scientific method and encouraging people to compare the scientific method and faith.

The scientific method came to be when mathematics was added to the experimental magic of the Renaissance. Magic in turn came to be, when the concept of laws of nature entered the religious mainstream. Evolutionairily speaking, science is a more complex, more sophisticated successor of religion. Science was specifically designed to deliver answers about nature that religion can't deliver.

Get people to use the scientific method and they will grow distant from religion all by themselves over time.



re 1: I once had developed a theological proof that disproved God. I posted it on a mathematical forum. And I got a shit-ton of criticism how my notation wasn't mathematical and how clumsy the structure of my proof was. No one pointed out logical errors though. What really struck me was the complaint that I only disproved one very specific kind of God. The commenter asked me to rather come up with a disproof of all the possible Gods anybody could think off.

The morals of the story: For every one God you disprove, two new Gods will be made up that specifically pass this proof.
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I disagree with you about #5. It only makes believers more defensive Warpy Jan 2016 #1
That is a smart way to deal with it. Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #2
One of the biggest reasons I'm an Atheist? Because I don't listen to instructions. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #3
Meh. JoeyT Jan 2016 #4
Agreed about it not being about convincing the one you're arguing with. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #20
#2 and #3 make my head hurt. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #5
what a blithering load of excrement... uriel1972 Jan 2016 #6
Yeah, no thanks. Iggo Jan 2016 #7
It just annoys me Binkie The Clown Jan 2016 #8
People stopped binding their daughters feet when it wasn't considered attractive anymore. Freelancer Jan 2016 #9
I know these would certainly work on me. edhopper Jan 2016 #10
OMG, I think the shyster may have gotten their debate tips from this article!!!! cleanhippie Jan 2016 #21
I find lawyerly tricks edhopper Jan 2016 #24
Lawyers! trotsky Jan 2016 #25
1. Make sure you’re arguing about the same definition of God. cleanhippie Jan 2016 #22
I think I had a 500+ post thread on that edhopper Jan 2016 #23
"Ask about meaning and purpose." AlbertCat Jan 2016 #27
You might be interested in Brainstormy Jan 2016 #11
Frankly, I don't think many arguments work on any serious believers. progressoid Jan 2016 #12
Yep. I'm not trying to change their minds. Iggo Jan 2016 #13
And the secondary effect happens when a believer rants about us to a doubter: lindysalsagal Jan 2016 #15
Wrong on #2: We would not have invaded Iraq if it had been a christian country. Period. lindysalsagal Jan 2016 #14
IMHO, anyone who is arguing for their faith to the faithless has already found a crack in the veneer lindysalsagal Jan 2016 #16
Why am I seeing so many serious responses Promethean Jan 2016 #17
Cracked isn't satire. Cracked is comedy. DetlefK Jan 2016 #18
so, IOW, these are the best 5 arguments RussBLib Jan 2016 #19
For every one God you disprove, two new Gods will be made up AlbertCat Jan 2016 #26
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