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ismnotwasm

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11. I think there's another dynamic going on as well
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 06:10 PM
Dec 2013

Education wasn't always needed to support a family; in the traditional male-as-breadwinner sense, a young man no longer can to follow his father to be a dockworker, or a sanitation worker ( we used to call them garbage men-- my dad was one for a while) a truck driver or any number of jobs that required some skill but little or no education.

The push for education, the direct competition from people of color and women, have made jobs less available, but it seems as though we aren't teaching our boys that they have to excel. The free lunch of the entitled middle class white male is over (there never was one for the working class-- and now, there are barely jobs; at least not the sort that pays enough to help raise a family)

So boys are getting mixed messages. My oldest grandson wants to be a blues guitarist. I'm sure he will be, as I'm sure he won't make a living at it. My wise daughter has taught him to pursue education as a back up plan.

She's got 3 boys and every one will know the value of working for what you get, and not expecting because of race or gender or anything else

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I assume that to be co-educational schools/colleges. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #1
exactly. i agree. i have been preaching this. and this is why i am so bothered when talking about seabeyond Dec 2013 #2
I raised a son too,Sea sufrommich Dec 2013 #3
exactly. i saw the classes boys put effort in and struggled. was a ... pass the class. seabeyond Dec 2013 #4
Exactly,I guess what I was trying to say, sufrommich Dec 2013 #5
exactly....lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #6
Great post. YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #7
I wonder if the old male stereotypes don't play into this in some way... Flatulo Dec 2013 #8
IIRC, most studies over the past 60 years show that girls have always outperformed boys Nay Dec 2013 #9
i think this is another of the very real equations in all this. absolutely. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #10
I think there's another dynamic going on as well ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #11
Do you know if the percentage of boys/men attending college have dropped boston bean Jan 2014 #12
I believe it has dropped a bit. nt Nay Jan 2014 #14
Due to longstanding American anti-intellectualism, guys have never taken education seriously eridani Jan 2014 #13
"Anti-intellectualism" was exactly how I was going to put it. And that will doom us all if we let it nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #16
I'm very glad you posted this in this group. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #15
Also that girls do better in school, therefore men are oppressed now. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #17
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