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Threedifferentones

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50. The statement "most men are complicit in rape culture" does not seem to intersect different forms
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 10:52 AM
Mar 2014

of oppression. Just the opposite, it focuses on one form of oppression, sexual violence, and attributes it to one broad group of people: a majority of men, ie most. I do not see how that can be argued to be an intersection of forms of oppression.

It's strange you should mention intersectionality, because it's the sort of concept I think you are not really employing. Framing social problems as something which are caused by men as a group is not intersecting forms of oppression or membership in different oppressed groups.

Noticing that victims of poverty, war and rape all get blamed for their own vulnerability, and the evil actions of their oppressors, is intersectionality, because it is a point that draws a parallel between different groups that are abused in different ways. Abusers have long known that if they can frame weakness/vulnerability as a moral failing, they can justify their abuse. IE:

1. If he weren't so lazy/stupid, he would not be out of a job and poor! When in fact most economic hardship or success can be attributed to accident of birth.

2. If he couldn't handle combat, he should not have joined the army! When in fact many people sign those papers just to get a decent job, and then find themselves thrown into a meat grinder when our leaders need a war.

3. If she hadn't gone to that bar alone, she would not have been in that position! When in fact if that rapist would either respect the rights of other humans OR fear the repercussions of getting caught he would not have attacked her, and she could live without that anxiety that I as a man will never know.

Another example of an intersectionality would be to point out that poor women are much more likely to resort to sex work, and that sex work puts one at a vastly increased chance of being abused. Then continue that by pointing out the correlation between skin color and economic status, and questioning the reasons it exists.

Though I believe feminist scholars first coined the term, intersectionality is not a word that must be used exclusively for issues of gender and sexual violence/oppression, and I think that point has a lot to do with SOME of the criticisms this group takes here on DU, which does not mean I don't notice all the trolling you take.

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men who pay for sex often believe that they buy the right to do anything they want, seabeyond Mar 2014 #1
Ooooh better watch now - you've got the mens all stirred up: Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #2
lol. i hadnt read that part of her post. just the article. was clueless what manny was talking seabeyond Mar 2014 #3
Just one of the many HOF stalkers. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #4
EarlG locked it. Thank goodness. boston bean Mar 2014 #6
Does that count as a post violation against Manny? Whisp Mar 2014 #25
no. it does not effect anything. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #26
hmm, that's a bit strange, no? Whisp Mar 2014 #27
i think mostly the SOP is not used to diss or flamebait, but mostly for putting the wrong post seabeyond Mar 2014 #28
it is funny. i would have never thought. i am so NAIVE about some things cause seabeyond Mar 2014 #7
One in particular UtahLib Mar 2014 #12
Heh. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #13
LOL ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #35
I always saw him as the Annoying Librarian. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #48
Interesting to see more than one target. It's happy hour already: freshwest Mar 2014 #22
ah ha. cant we at least wait until 4'ish. lol. for breakfast? nah. lol. thanks seabeyond Mar 2014 #23
Seagami posted it last night. It made my evening! nt freshwest Mar 2014 #24
Nice! ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #42
See, it doesn't help with a qualifier - 'most' KitSileya Mar 2014 #5
redq is very good at explaining this. i think we need an Op about this again. i had an Op in GD seabeyond Mar 2014 #8
Oh, and how to claim innocence UtahLib Mar 2014 #11
I've never ever posted there ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #30
It was in GD. Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #37
The only poster on DU I have on ignore... MadrasT Mar 2014 #61
doncha just mercuryblues Mar 2014 #67
"Most men ARE not rapists, but are certainly complicit in Rape Culture. " demwing Mar 2014 #9
Sorry my bad. Editing these posts away, with some explanation in the other one. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #14
or you could say... what are you talking about? because yuor imterpretation is wrong. not an seabeyond Mar 2014 #15
Well that's a huge fail ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #32
"injecting an embarrassing level of ridiculousness" amuse bouche Mar 2014 #16
Distortion is a common tatctic Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #19
Adorable graphic ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #33
Thanks for that question demwing Mar 2014 #36
It was in connection to the article ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #39
Sorry I didn't intend to disrupt...so I'm editing these posts away. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #43
Look I don't know you ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #44
Aight well I know I am a jerk. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #45
Actually I've looked at all sides ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #47
The statement "most men are complicit in rape culture" does not seem to intersect different forms Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #50
I think ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #52
Indeed we are Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #59
firstly seabeyond Mar 2014 #60
... ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #62
by letting the mercuryblues Mar 2014 #65
Kudos! KitSileya Mar 2014 #66
thank you. mercuryblues Mar 2014 #68
I neglected to edit the post you are responding to, unlike the others, but as I said my point Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #69
so what mercuryblues Mar 2014 #70
Your post illustrates the "so what" quite well, and the nuances of oppression are what you ignore. Threedifferentones Mar 2014 #71
again mercuryblues Mar 2014 #72
Excellent response! Sheldon Cooper Mar 2014 #46
You hold yourself to a lower standard than others...? LanternWaste Mar 2014 #58
Most = 50% +1 or more gollygee Mar 2014 #63
can i simply copy and paste your post for the rest of time... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #64
Saw a reference to this in another thread amuse bouche Mar 2014 #10
That thread was locked and rightfully so. That is why your post would not go through. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #18
Ok, thanks amuse bouche Mar 2014 #21
I am not overfond of the practice of alerting, either. The number of threads locked has diminished Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #29
Rec because Yay!! Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #17
Thanks for the info, ism UtahLib Mar 2014 #20
I swear I haven't been here and missed whatever happened. ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #34
Damn I just started this and went to work ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #31
as your question above shows, you are right. they either slightly kinda believe a rape culture even seabeyond Mar 2014 #38
We're two hours early sitting in a Starbucks ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #40
have a blast. sounds like fun. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #41
Most men are. redqueen Mar 2014 #49
It's because the majority of rapists are men ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #54
It disgusts me that any man, or any female ally of such men, redqueen Mar 2014 #55
And yet, that's what the majority of them do ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #56
Sadly, I don't find it strange at all. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #57
Thank you for posting this! It's good to see these individuals being punished. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51
Yes it is ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #53
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