Victim advocates applaud Craigslist rape verdict

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69. I neglected to edit the post you are responding to, unlike the others, but as I said my point

was made hastily and was not clear.

Saying men instead of people is a deliberate choice. It intentionally omits women and only includes men. The fact of the matter is that by whatever definition you use of rape culture, most women are also complicit, as I attempted to illustrate with my point about Stuebenville.

If someone consistently specifies today's men as a group responsible for patriarchy's various ills, that reveals he believes women do not take part in it. Otherwise, she would have said people and not men. Again, this is a similar point to early feminist critiques of HIStory. Nobody ever denies anymore that when Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal" he was deliberately excluding women, just as it is undeniable that by saying "most men" one is deliberately excluding women. Can you imagine someone saying that just because Jefferson wrote only men he did not necessarily believe women were not included?

By the standards of this board most women are not feminists. By the standards of this board most women are complicit in rape culture. If women spoke with one voice we could end patriarchy today, but that ain't gonna happen.

The fact of the matter is many women would say "well if she doesn't want to be abused she should not be a whore." The fact of the matter is that people learn about sex and gender when they are children and too young to know better. If growing up under a patriarchal system excuses a woman for not realizing she is being oppressed, then that must also excuse a man for not realizing he is oppressive.

In terms of rape culture, whether the person doing the victim blaming is male or female does not change the twisted logic that is employed. As such patriarchy is a human problem, not exclusively a male problem.

Your definition of rape culture has nothing to do with my point, as ismnotwasm said we are basically talking past each other. The points you and your link make about rape are not wrong, but they are irrelevant to the distinction I am trying to draw about the OP.