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jeff47

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34. Minor defense of the "red pill" folks

Mon Apr 14, 2014, 10:27 AM

Apr 2014

They're just geeks. They've spent their lives in a society that labels them as useful for tech support, not useful for dating. Interpersonal skills in all situations are a little like asking your technophobe grandfather to build a computer from parts.

They still need to get over their shit and behave like adults, but they're coming more from ignorance than malice.

In my youth, I was such a geek. I was absolutely convinced that made me utterly unappealing. Everything our culture threw at me had the geek as the 'comic relief' while the women were only interested in the "real men". Even in the Revenge of the Nerds series of movies, a nerd only "got the girl" after squashing his geekiness.

I was wrong - looking back it's clear the problem was my assumption. But when wallowing in that situation it's all too easy to toss the blame at others, followed by lashing out.

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A Glossary of MRAs feel free to add [View all] intaglio Apr 2014 OP

We need to raise consciousness of this CFLDem Apr 2014 #1

Are there two people using your username? redqueen Apr 2014 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2014 #5

Joker(s) that has already sat on Eight (8) Juries. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #10

absolutely. so that. it cannot be said any clearer. game? joke? two people? nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #6

Or none of the above. CFLDem Apr 2014 #35

you are too inconsistent. that is where the problem lies. people do not like being made a fool of. seabeyond Apr 2014 #37

Prove it. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #56

Sure thing Tuesday CFLDem Apr 2014 #61

Your ignorance is showing. I suggest you post less and read more. I say that in the kindest Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #63

respectfully to all of du, i would like to express my thoughts. but i am afraid even civilly i seabeyond Apr 2014 #8

if he really was sincere he would publicly apologize and Rec this thread. Also, now you know Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #14

it isnt done so well. pretty obvious. pretty clear. for most of us. just cause there is not a seabeyond Apr 2014 #16

" ... for most of us..." yes and still they sit on juries, in judgement of good and faithful DUers Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #19

"Community Standards" MadrasT Apr 2014 #20

i know.... a belly laugh, collectively. that ship long sailed. lasted all of a couple months seabeyond Apr 2014 #22

you must understand, Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #23

good to know. no one at our age, wants to be called naive. for sure. ahhhhh seabeyond Apr 2014 #26

well, weather has its own version of community standards, yanno Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #30

yes. that is why i have a couple "friends" on jury blacklist. that does about say it all, right? nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #24

Here's a few from manboobz ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #2

ah, the western woman one. i started seeing that all over the place, two years ago. saw someone seabeyond Apr 2014 #7

... harpies ... I know what they look like thanks to the very kind DUer that posted a picture. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #11

you know. it says something when an older woman posts a picture dissing older women. lol. get this seabeyond Apr 2014 #12

that is awesome. the difference between the motivation behind the action ... Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #15

"difference between the motivation behind the action ..." point. people are not as seabeyond Apr 2014 #17

Coy ... good word. Yes. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #21

you know. i taught both boys to not even bother. we were all too clever. just wasnt gonna work. seabeyond Apr 2014 #27

yes. it just doesn't fly. it is a game to play and it takes two to play games. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #33

oh oho oh. which takes us back to me talking to cfl.... and the whole game. seabeyond Apr 2014 #36

yeah, the Ye Ole Internet Game. Amazes me that it still holds fascination for some. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #64

Well I admit to liking this from "Bewitched" ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #18

again, the intent and motivation of that original picture is Art and Well Played. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #25

You mean given her character on the show? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #28

feathers flying. ya. seabeyond Apr 2014 #31

see, I love it, too ... POWERFUL and IMAGINATIVE ... and posted with good intent. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #32

Someone actually used that word? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #39

yes, Someone actually used both the harpie and the hag words and yes, Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #67

ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha. i love. that is great. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #29

NAWALT - same shit that's been used by people to deflect critical thought for decades. redqueen Apr 2014 #9

The most egregious of posters ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #13

very interesting. i did not realize that was what red pill was about. hey... seabeyond Apr 2014 #4

Minor defense of the "red pill" folks jeff47 Apr 2014 #34

isnt it amazing we are not spending so much time in life saying. what about the fat girls, geek girl seabeyond Apr 2014 #38

Well, for the girls they have the scene where jeff47 Apr 2014 #46

having raised two boys. having one at 19 and one at 16. one dork, one geek who totally embrace seabeyond Apr 2014 #49

I'm not saying it's boys being boys. jeff47 Apr 2014 #52

because they live in a society that maes them feel entitled. cause they watch that nerd series that seabeyond Apr 2014 #54

No, they live in a society that tells them they will never attract a woman. jeff47 Apr 2014 #58

i am going to think about this. thanks. what i had going against me, is i was never much a kid, seabeyond Apr 2014 #59

No, society tells them they will not "get" a HOT woman. redqueen Apr 2014 #65

society is actually telling/defining what is a HOT woman. HOT women have to look and act in a Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #71

"It is ALL such a HUGE LOAD of BULLSHIT" redqueen Apr 2014 #75

I like to get to the heart of the matter Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #77

Word. Sing it, Tuesday. n/t MadrasT Apr 2014 #79

Thanks, MadrasT Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #96

It really is any woman. jeff47 Apr 2014 #81

i am still on entitlement. i see it in the best of guys. they intellectually know better. seabeyond Apr 2014 #74

this is why the entitlement. even in the geek male movies, the women are treated like shit. even seabeyond Apr 2014 #76

it is also hand in hand with street harassment. those men are not geeks. and they do the same. why? seabeyond Apr 2014 #78

Entitlement usually refers to getting more than you diserve jeff47 Apr 2014 #84

a right to something. from the time these guys are babies.... thru out life seabeyond Apr 2014 #86

Except entitled to sex really isn't relevant to a child jeff47 Apr 2014 #88

sigh. it is not sex at the younger age, but it is entitled to the wife, the served, the taken care seabeyond Apr 2014 #90

And I'm saying they don't think they can have that. jeff47 Apr 2014 #92

BUT... they have already learned they are suppose to. hence entitlement. geeez seabeyond Apr 2014 #93

Heh... at age 4 MadrasT Apr 2014 #94

it is. and i have been thinking of you of late, with all the discussion happening. seabeyond Apr 2014 #95

On the other hand... MadrasT Apr 2014 #97

omg... lol. that is too fuggin cute. too. i grew up on a farm. lol. seabeyond Apr 2014 #98

If that is the case (that they are convinced geeks are unappealing) that's a shame. MadrasT Apr 2014 #40

Thank you for sharing CFLDem Apr 2014 #41

we are talking about young men, in the reddit, that actively try to ruin a girl or womans life. seabeyond Apr 2014 #44

I think you give them too much credit. CFLDem Apr 2014 #48

i do not give them much credit at all. i think the are cowards. weak. ugly inside. lacking character seabeyond Apr 2014 #53

They've been taught civility, kindness and respect. jeff47 Apr 2014 #50

they are doing it cause they are ENTITLED to fuck the hot girl, use the hot girl seabeyond Apr 2014 #55

No, they are doing it to hurt the unattainable girl. jeff47 Apr 2014 #60

still thinking. boys lash out. girls within. no it is not biological or innate. it is culturally seabeyond Apr 2014 #66

Taking off glasses = already "hot" girl learns to sexualize herself. redqueen Apr 2014 #70

At least there's a path. jeff47 Apr 2014 #80

no. there is not. girls know. they are not fooled. the path is no more than for a boy. seabeyond Apr 2014 #83

Where is the path for that geeky boy? jeff47 Apr 2014 #85

serious???? that geek boy is the success now he just has to BUY a woman to use as a tool, no seabeyond Apr 2014 #87

That would be if he's a highly-paid adult. jeff47 Apr 2014 #89

hey. you are talking were would be a path. not a reality of a path. just like seabeyond Apr 2014 #91

Exactly. And all of this leaves out the hate. The anger and resentment and hostility. redqueen Apr 2014 #99

Then why not date a not "hot" girl? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #103

^this is society's double standard on expectations^ it is EXPECTED that our children act in such a Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #62

I watched that show with my grandson a while back ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #43

i have had that happen to me a handful of times, with movies back in my day. seabeyond Apr 2014 #100

Embarrassing isn't it? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #105

And now you are making assumptions about other men.... bettyellen Apr 2014 #101

+1 MadrasT Apr 2014 #102

I understand the impulse to relate to "geeks" but they are NOT all alike bettyellen Apr 2014 #104

There's a bunch that are big on mail order brides JoeyT Apr 2014 #42

is this the mra older man, disillusioned? but you are right. i stated elsewhere today. but ya.... seabeyond Apr 2014 #45

I had no idea there was any real opposition to IMBRA. JoeyT Apr 2014 #47

hmmm. lol. fuck. all of this crap. and simple self loathing? fuck. i have not even heard of seabeyond Apr 2014 #57

this is great BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #51

The thing that gets me MadrasT Apr 2014 #68

that these guys seem to think any woman can automatically have any man she chooses at the drop of a seabeyond Apr 2014 #69

Yeah, maybe if she lowers her standards it's possible. redqueen Apr 2014 #73

"Bad Boy," "Alpha," "Dominant" - The same insufferable loser chrisa Apr 2014 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #82