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ismnotwasm

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18. The books suck

Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:06 AM

Apr 2014

IMO. I couldn't get through them all, in fact between him and Jorden, I enjoy fantasy a lot less then I used to. I believe Martin is trying to reflect pre-2nd millennium type imagery in his books with feudal politics. Along with a powerful fantasy element. I'm not saying he's not an ok writer. I've just read better, and I've never understood the fascination with his books.

So they're grim. I completely believe you about the rape scene and as we were talking about earlier, despite it being fantasy, if you what to reflect feudal time periods, there would be scenes of male rape as well as rape of children, girls getting married off at ten to 35 years olds.

I've read a lot of 'grim' fantasy that does reflect this type of savagery set in what would be around the time round Henry the second. Martins books-- if I recall correctly, seem to predate that, almost city- state type eras. More of a combination actually.

But TV shows always reinforce rape culture. Always sexualized rape. Apparently, people want to see that shit. And even if they don't, writers and producers need to create controversy and up ratings using the bodies of women, so they so it anyway. I'm glad there was push back, but far from surprised at this.

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game of thrones [View all] seabeyond Apr 2014 OP

If you notice on the credits R.R. Martin was involved in the screen play. Regardless, the books lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #1

Rape as entertainment. Rape of men and children reality. Are you being entertained with man and seabeyond Apr 2014 #2

You are asking a question about how people are brought up. I don't have to tell you what people lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #7

i disagree. i think raping women and girls has become the ew norm in entertainment. and this is a seabeyond Apr 2014 #9

A Song of Fire and Ice portrays a world that really is shit for women Scootaloo Apr 2014 #3

There is scarcely a decent human being in the series BainsBane Apr 2014 #6

You should read the books. I'm halfway through 'A Feast For Crows' Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #14

"I was just starting to like Jamie" Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #15

Then last night they have him be decent BainsBane Apr 2014 #34

Fine, for that incident I have no idea why it was changed, but the book itself is full that behavior lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #8

how many explicit rape scenes of men, that would comapre to rape of women, have you seen on that seabeyond Apr 2014 #10

Frankly, I didn't read the books or when I do watch it view it that way. Sorry I don't fit into lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #11

the point is obvious. in our face. and still, instead of just syaing it is what it is. we like to seabeyond Apr 2014 #12

How can you say that when you haven't even watched the show? BainsBane Apr 2014 #13

Sea, this was womens reality. boston bean Apr 2014 #16

i am tired of greater and greater graphic rape, sexualized, more drawn out seabeyond Apr 2014 #19

Have you got a link to HBO saying that? Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #39

The rape scene in question lasts exactly 42 seconds. During the entire scene, Flatulo Apr 2014 #41

There have been 3 or 4 penis shots, including Flatulo Apr 2014 #23

and.....people find that entertaining? Skittles Apr 2014 #26

Apparently so. It is a smash hit by any metric. Flatulo Apr 2014 #30

to each their own Skittles Apr 2014 #33

I used the episode as a teaching took for my granddaughter..... AuntPatsy Apr 2014 #4

For more insightful commentary... LuvLoogie Apr 2014 #5

You're right of course. Men and childten were raped, too, but that isn't put on screen, redqueen Apr 2014 #17

Well, severing Theon's penis was pretty harsh, but they Flatulo Apr 2014 #24

That's kind of the point though. We know it happens. We don't have to see it, never mind being seaglass Apr 2014 #25

The character Cearce is raped once. There is one other non-consensual sex scene, Flatulo Apr 2014 #31

I think those women were being raped by the rebels last night BainsBane Apr 2014 #32

Yes they were being raped. It was mentioned in the book, not emphasized as HBO did. It's really seaglass Apr 2014 #35

Just reading the conversations on this show literally makes me sick... seabeyond Apr 2014 #37

And ya. That is kinda the point being a guy and all. Rape? Meh seabeyond Apr 2014 #36

Yep. Not worth conversing with someone who doesn't hear. n/t seaglass Apr 2014 #40

The books suck ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #18

After last night's episode I am questioning whether I will continue to watch this show. Loved the seaglass Apr 2014 #20

this is what the executives have said. this is their intent. they have made it clear. it is on seabeyond Apr 2014 #21

it is.... intent. someone did a post on the intent. with racism i think. sheshe i think. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #22

I'm sure I would look at it differenlty if I had children BainsBane Apr 2014 #28

I read it as a rape in the book too. bravenak Apr 2014 #27

A painful example of why directors--especially male ones-- geek tragedy Apr 2014 #29

In general rape is entertainment. It is our norm. What line to cross in deviance with women now seabeyond Apr 2014 #38

Latest article from the New York Times theHandpuppet May 2014 #42

everyone can continue to use the excuse that it was/(is) the ugly reality all they want. an excuse. seabeyond May 2014 #43

So anyone who says that GoT portrays a brutal world is justifying rape? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #45

I think that article's wrong... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #44

Wasn't that Sansa, who was saved from being raped? BainsBane May 2014 #46

That was all happening at the same time when they all got separated... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #47