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theHandpuppet

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32. Not just daily political life but daily religious life
Sun May 25, 2014, 07:58 AM
May 2014

In countries around the globe the two often overlap. The fundamentalist influence on politics with regard to women's lives becomes more and more evident every day. When powerful religious leaders preach that women don't even have the right to the autonomy of their own bodies we witness its political effectiveness in the rollback of reproduction rights and the shutting of clinics. These are legislators who use God to justify outrageous levels of misogyny and fashion it into law. These same men who think women have no place in the leadership of the church also believe women have no place as equal partners in the home, the workplace, the country. They know this because the Bible tells them so, at least in their version of it. They've got to preach it in the schools, implement it in the workplace, enforce it in the bedroom, legislate it in the halls of Congress. The following example is just one of the most outrageous examples of how this works: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/02/16/426850/democratic-women-boycott-issas-contraception-hearing-for-preventing-women-from-testifying/

Some might say I'm straying from the topic here but I disagree. What frustrates me is that there seems to exist either a lack of recognition of or an unwillingness to confront the unholy alliance of church and state in creating a misogynic society. We tiptoe around the subject as to not hurt someone's feelings. Well that's just bullcrap my friends and it's exactly what the purveyors of misogyny count on -- that we'll react well, like "women", not wanting to bruise anyone's delicate ego especially if it involves religion, even to the point of silencing ourselves. Right here on DU there are those who would contend that we have a choice -- we can support the war on poverty OR women's rights. We can fight for environmental protections OR women's rights. Etc, etc, etc. But not both. So women are asked to choose either the planet or their rights, or between the poor and their rights, or between income inequality and their rights. The arguments are posited as a choice for which women must make the sacrifice and too often, some do just that. Anything else is called selfish. I see it all the time on what is touted as a progressive forum. The fact that it should be a choice at all is a ridiculous, manipulative fallacy. It's apparently an effective one because once again I find myself embroiled in just such a debate on DU, watching way too many women fall into that same old trap, rushing to the defense of an avowed and powerful misogynist and homophobe because we must sublimate the cause of our basic human rights to whatever causes supersede them... and that list seems endless. I've got news for some of those folks --as long as we are so willing to make the sacrifice there are those who are more than willing to take it. Our turn will never come if we validate and empower the very people whose aim is to oppress us. Those in power will not grant us respect for being acquiescent; they will only despise us the more for it.

If we want to formulate strategies for how to reform a society shaped by misogynic dogmas that are in turn enforced by legislated policies, we simply must face the fact that patriarchal religions have way too much influence in the political sphere. (That holds true no matter where you go or what you believe.) We can't afford to ignore this elephant in the room, hoping that if we don't make eye contact it will miraculously disappear. The more we hint at any trepidation in confronting this issue the more WOMEN WILL DIE. Not at some point in the distant future -- TODAY, tomorrow, and every tomorrow after that. They will die because too many boys and men are indoctrinated from birth that women are lesser human beings, that women's lives and bodies were created to service their needs, that a woman's value can only be measured by the degree to which she is willing to sacrifice herself on the altar of what we are told is "the greater good".







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We need to talk about misogyny [View all] redqueen May 2014 OP
Amen shenmue May 2014 #1
Truth! nt sheshe2 May 2014 #2
I was told the very fact I posted the Daily Kos article BainsBane May 2014 #3
Seriously disturbing, flashing-red-neon sign type tells there. redqueen May 2014 #5
add to that BainsBane May 2014 #11
Anyone who bloviates that much about "hating men" is the opposite of a feminist. redqueen May 2014 #13
and yet fails to provide a single example of such man-hating when queried BainsBane May 2014 #14
Someone was in this group bloviating about man-hating recently. redqueen May 2014 #17
Good point. theHandpuppet May 2014 #29
that person ought to be ppr'ed, he is seriously fucked up. or playing a fuckin game to giggle with seabeyond May 2014 #21
My view is that it's a game BainsBane May 2014 #28
Is that from that moron? ismnotwasm May 2014 #31
I hope you alerted on that gollygee May 2014 #35
Babe? Ugh. Flatulo May 2014 #43
I see there are some guys who totally get it. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #4
Maybe around here, yeah. redqueen May 2014 #6
'tis BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #8
And then there are those of us who don't give a good goddamn who gets "offended" Scootaloo May 2014 #10
For my own part, I've put most of the biggest offenders on ignore. Maedhros May 2014 #63
I'm genuinely curious about what what you think would have prevented this... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #7
You need to go back to GD redqueen May 2014 #12
In GD BainsBane May 2014 #15
Actually, I said nothing of the sort ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #22
Really? You decided to make that case because of a preposition? BainsBane May 2014 #23
I care about facts ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #25
Concerns about misogyny are not sniping BainsBane May 2014 #26
Ugh! Don't listen to this idiot. smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #90
Teach them well then dude, teach them well ismnotwasm May 2014 #33
If people would just google before they started typing, I wouldn't have to teach ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #42
Whoa ismnotwasm May 2014 #44
And you hurt my feelings. seabeyond May 2014 #67
Yeah, all better now. ismnotwasm May 2014 #68
ooosh. that was close. lol. i had the couch ready though. we women, take care of each other. nt seabeyond May 2014 #70
Yup ismnotwasm May 2014 #77
Whilst yet others may detest insincere posts masquerading as righteous dialectic. LanternWaste May 2014 #86
I would say that extreme behavior is a symptom of deep undercurrents in society. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #16
Violent and/or threatening speech should certainly be taken more seriously than it is in many cases. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #56
Thanks! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #92
Yet when misogyny is on parade in daily political life The Traveler May 2014 #18
+the GOP congressman BainsBane May 2014 #19
That is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about! The Traveler May 2014 #20
I completely agree with you about the GOP's misogony ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #24
I suggest you review gender-based killing then nt ismnotwasm May 2014 #34
Reviewed - men do the most killing. Duh. ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #41
Duh? ismnotwasm May 2014 #45
Social media is almost comically ineffective ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #48
There are many people who have learned from online social justice movements. redqueen May 2014 #49
Got any facts to back that up? ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #55
What would your alternative be? ismnotwasm May 2014 #57
It's hard for me to say ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #61
Actually I talked to a school administrator who suggested the same thing ismnotwasm May 2014 #65
I think the big fight is to stop the normalization of violence... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #81
Interesting reply ismnotwasm May 2014 #88
Why are you still in this group? redqueen May 2014 #62
Social Media campaigns, and discussion boards, blog posts etc. are mostly for raising awareness IronLionZion May 2014 #79
A few academics may disagree with your allegation that social media is "comically ineffective" LanternWaste May 2014 #87
I'm not quite sure how to respond to that amazing assertion The Traveler May 2014 #47
+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #59
Well if you're going to blame the parents, just come out and say so... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #60
Not just daily political life but daily religious life theHandpuppet May 2014 #32
I don't suppose there are any additional comments now to what I wrote here? theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #89
Yes. yuiyoshida May 2014 #9
Exactly. Men murdering women who reject them are pretty common. SunSeeker May 2014 #27
Most of the time its just ignored. They have to kill a bunch of women to be considered newsworthy. redqueen May 2014 #37
Thank you for continuing to address chervilant May 2014 #30
I especially love the "gender wars" dumbshittery. redqueen May 2014 #38
"More women are finding their voices every day." too true. and seabeyond May 2014 #69
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #91
Once again Redqueen you say what needs to be said. thucythucy May 2014 #36
I'm happy to share it here redqueen May 2014 #39
The article I read today pointed out that this has happened in that town before by another "spurned" JTFrog May 2014 #40
wow. interesting. hm... thanks. nt seabeyond May 2014 #71
Honestly, it's long past time for the mass media to stop skating around this problem. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #46
people would have to get honest. that would include the good guys. yes. it is time. and it does seabeyond May 2014 #72
There are two things I am amazed about in the coverage and discussion of this event: Squinch May 2014 #50
I've never considered DU what I'd call a woman-friendly space theHandpuppet May 2014 #51
No, I don't either. The idea that women should be able Squinch May 2014 #54
I can tell in 2 seconds if the man I'm talking to hates or is afraid of women. Peregrine Took May 2014 #52
How do you deal with the men who are afraid of women? IronLionZion May 2014 #53
Gently ismnotwasm May 2014 #58
What is this 'afraid' of women shit? redqueen May 2014 #64
Fear isn't the same as misogyny ismnotwasm May 2014 #66
hmmm. i was told by a man, that men are simply fearful, afraid of women. women get beaten, raped, seabeyond May 2014 #73
I'm thinking more of extreme shyness I guess ismnotwasm May 2014 #74
ya. cause when i was reading your post, i know there are some men i am way more gentle with, seabeyond May 2014 #75
My husband found it-he was around but I don't remember him. ismnotwasm May 2014 #76
A woman can do anything a man can do IronLionZion May 2014 #78
just putting this here, a thought germinating in my head not, fully formed Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #80
I would like to add that yuiyoshida May 2014 #82
I'm not at all surprised, of course. redqueen May 2014 #83
I expect this board to be a step ahead ... i KNOOOOW. i know. and here i sit with repug males more seabeyond May 2014 #84
i have had an interesting time with both the P and the B word. and good for you, the steps seabeyond May 2014 #85
I hear you seabeyond! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #93
Great post redqueen! smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #94
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