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51. The creepy assholes who talk about how "she acted older than her age..."
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:24 PM
Jun 2014

Are making a circus of reality. They latch onto a possible truth and use it to their own ends. What the creepy asshole is saying is in many ways very truthful about a lot of young people. But that truth has nothing to do with why they're saying it and it doesn't have anything to do with the victim. They take a truth and project it onto their own transgression in order to justify it.

What is the truth buried under the bullshit? That there is an immense level of variability among the intellectual and emotional faculties of teenagers and young adults. And as we sit upon a threshold for what constitutes informed consent, many of these persons have the ability to cross over or fall short.

Age of consent laws assume intent rather than try to define it based on evidence. Which is the exact opposite of trying to determine intent. They assume that an 18 year old having sex with a 15 year old is such an egregious ethical violation that it should be criminal. It does not say anything about the minds of the two persons. It aligns intent with age and in the process intent is subsumed under age.

The reason why age of consent laws are generally correct is that the alignment of maturity with age is also generally correct. But that can be said of all sorts of generalizations that, in the end, are wrong a disturbing amount of the time.

I am also suspicious that the very system which produces predatory men is also responsible for the enacting of laws regarding age of consent as a way of allowing hegemonic masculinity to continue to regulate the sexuality of teenagers under the guise of law. Rather than defining consent around intellectual or emotional capacity, they align consent with age. And does that not reflect the very kind of ideology which preoccupies the mind of sexual predators? That what defines sexual availability is age.

What I'm speaking to is a contradiction which grows stronger as the person approaches the age of consent that then inverts itself entirely once one surpasses the age of consent to the point where there is a general social obsession with deeply sexualizing 18 year olds. What we see is a need to regulate sexual purity. That is why the history behind statutory rape revolves around a fear of sexual corruption and carnality and sin and NOT around whether the young person in question is capable of understanding action and consequence or even whether he or she was injured in the process.

We see this in the culmination of a legal "tipping point" that is like a clock counting down to an age which, when time runs out, allows society to throw young adults to the wolves. That is the inversion. And what I think it demonstrates is that we as a society probably didn't care about the safety of the 15 year old. We cared about maintaining an image of safety.

When I say that statutory rape can be both consensual sex and rape, I am not saying that sex and rape are the same. They are not. The two are mutually exclusive concepts. But that proves my point that a law which has the potential to make these mutually exclusive concepts appear the same is an institution we need to question.




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"Consensual sex" is just sex. [View all] redqueen Jun 2014 OP
Yup! TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #1
If someone is under age...they cannot consent...THAT is what it is referring to... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #2
Thats rape. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #4
Statutory rape has the potential to be both. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #12
Rape and sex are mutually exclusive. A minor CANNOT give consent, so it's non-consensual thus rape. Squinch Jun 2014 #13
A minor can give consent. What is legal and what is ethical are not the same... Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #14
Again, a minor CANNOT give consent. Squinch Jun 2014 #15
What your argument amounts to is the eschewing of reality... Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #17
How does what I am saying differ from saying "statutory rape is rape" which you agree with below? Squinch Jun 2014 #19
A 15 year old is of the legal age to consent in some states. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #20
Barring Romeo and Juliet exceptions, no there are no states where 14 or 15 are the ages of consent. Squinch Jun 2014 #21
I think he's thinking of other countries. redqueen Jun 2014 #22
I'd prefer to stay far away from them. Squinch Jun 2014 #23
You did not answer my question. What is the point of having an age of consent? Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #24
It is not a false sense of protection. It is a protection. Squinch Jun 2014 #25
The creepy assholes who talk about how "she acted older than her age..." Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #51
"statutory rape has the potential to be both consensual sex and rape." JTFrog Jun 2014 #58
It's unreal, isn't it? redqueen Jun 2014 #60
Please read my other posts in here. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2014 #80
Two minors have sex. Who's the rapist? They both engaged in what would legally be MADem Jun 2014 #54
Neither would be considered guilty of statuatory rape in most states BainsBane Jun 2014 #55
It's interesting how often this is brought up in threads about rape. redqueen Jun 2014 #61
What if they are both males? Both females? MADem Jun 2014 #64
The adult is the rapist. The person who breaks the law is the rapist BainsBane Jun 2014 #66
No adults. That was my point. No priests, no perverts. MADem Jun 2014 #74
If they are both kids, there is no crime BainsBane Jun 2014 #76
That doesn't stop the state from bringing charges. See post 78. nt MADem Jun 2014 #79
Romeo and Juliet is not the law in all fifty states. Further, children below the age of consent MADem Jun 2014 #63
Your articles aren't don't deal with Romeo and Juliet cases BainsBane Jun 2014 #65
And this is why ignore this obvious red herring every time. redqueen Jun 2014 #69
You started this thread, and I thought it was about the definition of "consensual sex" MADem Jun 2014 #78
No, those articles were illustrating my OTHER point, that children who are too young MADem Jun 2014 #75
Statutory rape is rape. redqueen Jun 2014 #16
Statutory rape is rape, you are correct. Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 #18
Bravo. Exactly. And of course I agree. Rape. Use the word. Nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Laffy Kat Jun 2014 #5
Disagree strongly. I've been beat up, and I've been raped, and there is a world of difference. redqueen Jun 2014 #6
Sorry, Redqueen. Laffy Kat Jun 2014 #7
No need to apologize... redqueen Jun 2014 #8
It is a learning process. That was one of the simplest, humblest apologies I have seen on DU Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #9
i thought so also, when i read the post hours ago. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #10
yes and for some odd reason apologies has been on my mind today - evidently Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #11
You mean for this? RiffRandell Jun 2014 #26
Are you seriously still wearing that raggedy old dress? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author RiffRandell Jun 2014 #28
Lol Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author RiffRandell Jun 2014 #30
You mad? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #31
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #32
You sound unhinged. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #34
Rather than flipping out because of what you think BainsBane Jun 2014 #38
You know how many times I've forgiven people and they've never offered and apology. boston bean Jun 2014 #39
Some people live for conflict BainsBane Jun 2014 #41
I was willing to move on, but it keeps being brought up. RiffRandell Jun 2014 #42
Just move on, is my advice. boston bean Jun 2014 #44
Whereas I was told off BainsBane Jun 2014 #46
An apology is always nice. It's up to the wronged person to accept it or not or boston bean Jun 2014 #47
It was clear that in my case BainsBane Jun 2014 #48
I agree. I find it to be very distasteful to try and force someone into boston bean Jun 2014 #49
Are you saying I'm not welcome here? RiffRandell Jun 2014 #40
Perhaps if you once tried to participate in a discussion without attacking posters here BainsBane Jun 2014 #43
"It's sad that you and others are bringing this group down." JTFrog Jun 2014 #57
Knock this shit off in this group. boston bean Jun 2014 #33
Done. RiffRandell Jun 2014 #35
No reason for it, it was personal bullshit way below the belt. boston bean Jun 2014 #36
You are very welcome. nt RiffRandell Jun 2014 #37
What you call a lie BainsBane Jun 2014 #45
She apologized twice in this thread BainsBane Jun 2014 #50
and i just thought that one poster did a good job of accepting another perspective. that was all. nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #52
ya. i saw that somewhere. cant remember where. i did however have a terrific seabeyond Jun 2014 #53
What the hell is going on in this thread? ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #56
It is my fault. I apologize for anything I ever said to RiffRandell. I hope this apology is accepted Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #59
It's kinda routine at this point. nt redqueen Jun 2014 #62
Maybe this can be a turning point, redqueen. I just received a PM from Riff and she accepted my Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #71
Well, this thread sure sparked a lot of hair-splitting and redirection. MadrasT Jun 2014 #67
Someone is 'laying down the law' in differentiating sex from rape? redqueen Jun 2014 #70
LOL Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #73
yes, Please see my post #71 in this thread. Let us all quit deflecting and move forward. There are Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #72
Basically how I feel about it. ismnotwasm Jun 2014 #77
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