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YoungDemCA

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Sun Apr 12, 2015, 12:37 PM Apr 2015

Feeling a bit jaded re: my peers... [View all]

That is to say, my Millennial (specifically, male) peers. I've come really close to getting in arguments with three different friends over feminism in recent weeks.

One of them called feminists a "hate group" that "hate men" and argued that "they do nothing for men's rights", another said that he was "fucking tired of being made out to be the 'bad guy'" by feminists and that he thinks "male privilege" is bullshit, and the third made fun of "social justice warriors" who "never shut up about being victims."

Now, these are all straight white guys from middle-class suburban backgrounds, so I think that they're being ridiculous, but I guess I'm not confident enough in myself to call them out on this behavior...yet. Moreover, I know that they're far, far from alone among this demographic (my demographic, as it happens)....if anything, I'm more of an exception to the rule in my overall attitudes on this-which says more about my peers than it does about me, I reckon!

I guess in a culture of porn, hookups, "playas" and "studs", etc., with "cock-blocking" and "friend-zoning" being seen as injustices to men (with a perverse sense of entitlement), it's depressingly easy to see why many young men feel this way.

Full disclosure: I have a lot of the same bullshit insecurities and anxieties as do many of my straight male peers. But I am definitely bothered by the aggressive, over-sexualized, women-objectifying messages that media, entertainment, the culture in general aim at me, as a young man....and I like to think, I at least try to be better than that. Because I know better.

Of course, this is really not about me, or even my male friends. It's about the overall culture of young men in America. Something's seriously troubling about it, and you know what? It hurts us as well. Stunts our emotional growth, our potential, our character as men and as unique individuals and as human beings-all of that is gone, when we play by society's gender roles.

I hope for any young men who may read this...that they know that feminism is not about hating men, or about making men feel like "bad guys" or "guilty" or whatever. Women's rights are human rights, and humanity is inclusive of men. What benefits the marginalized and the oppressed, benefits all of us. That's the message that needs to be drilled home, somehow.

Thanks for reading.

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... shenmue Apr 2015 #1
It is completely sad that some people consider onecaliberal Apr 2015 #2
level out the ole playing field and i am with you... dude? nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #15
More like. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #19
good to know. and still the point, level playing field and i would e more likely to play the game seabeyond Apr 2015 #20
Absolutely. The field should be the absolute same for everyone. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #22
should be, but it is not. hence, feminism. dealing with the unlevel playing field seabeyond Apr 2015 #24
Yes, and other classes of people as well. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #25
my apologies.... seabeyond Apr 2015 #26
No worries... onecaliberal Apr 2015 #27
Yeah, their saving grace is that they're young Warpy Apr 2015 #3
ya. not all of that "they" are young. we have a tons of men that are my peers, seabeyond Apr 2015 #14
My peers grew up in the 50s Warpy Apr 2015 #18
which is my point. a mans issue, not a young or old mans issue. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #21
This is common ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #4
i am too deep. i cant do the surface. i no longer say it in a way where seabeyond Apr 2015 #13
Just talked to a Friend on FB ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #17
I always shake my head when mercuryblues Apr 2015 #5
"1. it is not called maninism" not even called.... humanism. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #12
I blame men's rights becoming trendy online. Oneironaut Apr 2015 #6
It does seem to have gone mainstream BainsBane Apr 2015 #9
yes. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #10
young, sexually frustrated men are often the most intense misogynists. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #7
what you must think about women. how you must hate them. see them as a fuck. seabeyond Apr 2015 #11
I think this is a slightly different dynamic geek tragedy Apr 2015 #16
sure. my point was, there are all kinds of societal conditionings... ect. i have an oldest son seabeyond Apr 2015 #23
i was just talking to my 20 yr old nephew who is totally screwed up. seabeyond Apr 2015 #8
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