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nonoyes

(261 posts)
33. Good questions raised by the OP
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 10:28 AM
Mar 2013

It is a shame that the thread got so hijacked by a fool with no facts about suicidology, (yes, there is even a word for the sociological study of suicides!).

Getting back to the question of whether SOME gun owners might consider one of their needs for a gun to be to end their own life at some point, I suspect there are more than a few gun owners who might think that, but is there really any way of knowing? I mean, people who own guns will rarely voice that, (perhaps only on a message board where they can be anonymous).

But EVEN IF we had the most restrictive nationwide regulation, registration, and licensing of gun owners, those people with a sincere desire to end their life with a gun could find a way, often with planning well in advance, and a legal purchase of a handgun.

Just my random thoughts so far on this. Basically, I don't think opposition to gun control legislation has much to do with people who wish to carry out their own suicide. But it is true that guns are the most effective means of taking one's own life, and that more people die from suicide by gun than die from homicide or accidental gun death.

No, I think, (although I don't know, because I'm not pro gun, I'm pro gun-control and pro-gun safety), that most people who wish to keep their options to gun purchase and ownership so UN-restricted feel that way because their personality is mistrustful of others having any significant control over the gun-owners' personal lifestyle and thinking. I don't know for sure, but that is what I have come to think is at the root of all this opposition to gun control we see here in the USA. It's a cultural uniqueness that is very American, not the same in Canada, or England, where I have spent some time. Of course, the NRA both incubates and fans the flames of those kinds of passions, and the relatively high rate of homicides in the USA, compared to other nations serves to reinforce those personal fears and desires to own guns. The desire to control one's means of death might be some, but not a major factor in gun owner's motivations, but, again, how would I ever really know?

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Guns aside for the moment... Riftaxe Mar 2013 #1
Guns aside ... Scuba Mar 2013 #2
lol see edit Riftaxe Mar 2013 #5
Suicide issue is a 100% distraction and the latest attempt by the NRA folks graham4anything Mar 2013 #3
Can you please cite a source for those statitistics? Thanks. Scuba Mar 2013 #4
take this to the following section graham4anything Mar 2013 #7
So your are alleging that suicide by gun is common or uncommon Riftaxe Mar 2013 #6
take it to the Mental Health information group thread located: graham4anything Mar 2013 #8
Can we get rid of cancer Riftaxe Mar 2013 #9
Take it to the general or health groups. There is no longer any reason to make nice to guns graham4anything Mar 2013 #10
A True Zealot Riftaxe Mar 2013 #12
Problem solved? No, getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us ... Scuba Mar 2013 #13
Dr. Jack has a humane zero cost method that can be used. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
Final exit also has the solution Riftaxe Mar 2013 #24
Talking about death on a forum that is PRO-life(aka NO guns/bullets) is not on the SOP graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
If only death were guns/bullets Riftaxe Mar 2013 #30
That is a discussion that I would have Riftaxe Mar 2013 #17
I too would welcome a discussion regarding suicidal rights, but that's not what I'm addressing here. Scuba Mar 2013 #22
'getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us who rationally want to end our lives' freshwest Mar 2013 #45
No, my apparently poorly constructed OP was advocating for consideration of an idea ... Scuba Mar 2013 #47
Since we don't live in Logan's Run, I doubt suicide will ever be offered in a neutral format. freshwest Mar 2013 #60
"So this isn't really a practical use for gun ownership. " Scuba Mar 2013 #61
Again, there are many methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #62
I didn't say don't do it - you missed that part. There are other ways, I can post links. freshwest Mar 2013 #63
"Suicide will not be written into gun control as part of a legal exemption ..." Is that what ... Scuba Mar 2013 #65
there are lots of other methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #49
Incorrect. Nationally, 60% of gun deaths are suicide. Robb Mar 2013 #11
These numbers keep getting tossed out without sources. Can you please provide a citation? Scuba Mar 2013 #14
Citation is the #1 word used by pro-gun advocates. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15
Well now you have heard it sarisataka Mar 2013 #18
100% of all gun suicides can be avoided with the 100% eradication of bullets in the USA graham4anything Mar 2013 #20
So I gather that you oppose the right to die? MH1 Mar 2013 #41
In this context "citation" means a link to a credible source. I've used it in that manner ... Scuba Mar 2013 #19
... Robb Mar 2013 #21
Thank you. Perhaps this adds credence to my hypothesis that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #25
Suicide is a separate, related issue sarisataka Mar 2013 #23
I disagree. Making it harder to lay hands on a gun will stop spur-of-the-moment suicide attempts. Robb Mar 2013 #26
That is the real issue. Impulse suicide is facilitated by gunz. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #37
In theory it's unrelated, but in practice? MH1 Mar 2013 #42
+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #48
If other forms of suicide were available, would that ease of fears of some .... Scuba Mar 2013 #27
While your point is logical sarisataka Mar 2013 #29
I disagree only with your contention that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #32
Guns are clearly a top choice sarisataka Mar 2013 #34
I used to have a saying 'There's a reason I don't keep a gun in the house.' That was it. freshwest Mar 2013 #31
+1 Kurt Cobain is a perfect example. I pity his child and wife. vs. John Lennon. I pity the world. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43
I have no idea if this the beginning if Gungeon II, as some posters spend most of their time there. freshwest Mar 2013 #46
Please see my other posts in this thread #'s 13 and 47. Scuba Mar 2013 #50
Good questions raised by the OP nonoyes Mar 2013 #33
Thank you for this thoughtful reply. Scuba Mar 2013 #35
What does it take rrneck Mar 2013 #36
I have a theory, but, what do I know? nonoyes Mar 2013 #39
Any moral question rrneck Mar 2013 #64
Thanks for your view. nonoyes Mar 2013 #66
Nobody does anything for just one reason. rrneck Mar 2013 #68
Suicide is a reason FOR gun control BainsBane Mar 2013 #38
I value your insight on this topic, even if nonoyes Mar 2013 #40
No rate is fully successful BainsBane Mar 2013 #44
rates Progressive dog Mar 2013 #55
Now we defend guns because they get used for suicide? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #51
Tell me that you, like I, have not suspected that impulse was buried in this issue somewhere, all patrice Mar 2013 #53
I think facilitating suicide in a population that is significantly oppressed by economics is patrice Mar 2013 #52
Sorry, I'm just a farm boy. What are "broader cognitive resources" and how might they be degraded.. Scuba Mar 2013 #54
The definition of rational is not as absolute as we might pretend it is. There are always judgement patrice Mar 2013 #56
I'm trying to understand your post. Let's start with your very first statement ... Scuba Mar 2013 #58
Do you agree with my basic criteria: the best decisions are made by free individuals? patrice Mar 2013 #59
Farm boy? Think genetic management here, only make it intellectual potential and appropriate patrice Mar 2013 #57
Gun deaths shaped by race in America GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #67
This post is absurd and offensive. ellisonz Mar 2013 #69
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