Gun Control Reform Activism

rrneck

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36. What does it take

Sat Mar 23, 2013, 12:10 PM

Mar 2013

to want to hurt somebody? You have to work at it. People who hurt others aren't animals. There are no evil babies. We all have to capacity to hurt others, but you have to develop that capacity.

What would it take to hurt yourself? Self preservation is a powerful instinct and it takes work to overcome that. And just as exigent circumstances can greatly contribute to the development of the desire to hurt others, they can contribute to the desire to hurt oneself. And those exigent circumstances include the our own brain chemistry.

If we want to overcome the desire in people to hurt others or themselves we will have to manage much more than the most obvious tool used to do so. In fact, that tool (a gun) actually plays a minor role in the problem of violence against others or ourselves.

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The suicide component of the gun debate [View all] Scuba Mar 2013 OP

Guns aside for the moment... Riftaxe Mar 2013 #1

Guns aside ... Scuba Mar 2013 #2

lol see edit Riftaxe Mar 2013 #5

Suicide issue is a 100% distraction and the latest attempt by the NRA folks graham4anything Mar 2013 #3

Can you please cite a source for those statitistics? Thanks. Scuba Mar 2013 #4

take this to the following section graham4anything Mar 2013 #7

So your are alleging that suicide by gun is common or uncommon Riftaxe Mar 2013 #6

take it to the Mental Health information group thread located: graham4anything Mar 2013 #8

Can we get rid of cancer Riftaxe Mar 2013 #9

Take it to the general or health groups. There is no longer any reason to make nice to guns graham4anything Mar 2013 #10

A True Zealot Riftaxe Mar 2013 #12

Problem solved? No, getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us ... Scuba Mar 2013 #13

Dr. Jack has a humane zero cost method that can be used. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16

Final exit also has the solution Riftaxe Mar 2013 #24

Talking about death on a forum that is PRO-life(aka NO guns/bullets) is not on the SOP graham4anything Mar 2013 #28

If only death were guns/bullets Riftaxe Mar 2013 #30

That is a discussion that I would have Riftaxe Mar 2013 #17

I too would welcome a discussion regarding suicidal rights, but that's not what I'm addressing here. Scuba Mar 2013 #22

'getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us who rationally want to end our lives' freshwest Mar 2013 #45

No, my apparently poorly constructed OP was advocating for consideration of an idea ... Scuba Mar 2013 #47

Since we don't live in Logan's Run, I doubt suicide will ever be offered in a neutral format. freshwest Mar 2013 #60

"So this isn't really a practical use for gun ownership. " Scuba Mar 2013 #61

Again, there are many methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #62

I didn't say don't do it - you missed that part. There are other ways, I can post links. freshwest Mar 2013 #63

"Suicide will not be written into gun control as part of a legal exemption ..." Is that what ... Scuba Mar 2013 #65

there are lots of other methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #49

Incorrect. Nationally, 60% of gun deaths are suicide. Robb Mar 2013 #11

These numbers keep getting tossed out without sources. Can you please provide a citation? Scuba Mar 2013 #14

Citation is the #1 word used by pro-gun advocates. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15

Well now you have heard it sarisataka Mar 2013 #18

100% of all gun suicides can be avoided with the 100% eradication of bullets in the USA graham4anything Mar 2013 #20

So I gather that you oppose the right to die? MH1 Mar 2013 #41

In this context "citation" means a link to a credible source. I've used it in that manner ... Scuba Mar 2013 #19

... Robb Mar 2013 #21

Thank you. Perhaps this adds credence to my hypothesis that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #25

Suicide is a separate, related issue sarisataka Mar 2013 #23

I disagree. Making it harder to lay hands on a gun will stop spur-of-the-moment suicide attempts. Robb Mar 2013 #26

That is the real issue. Impulse suicide is facilitated by gunz. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #37

In theory it's unrelated, but in practice? MH1 Mar 2013 #42

+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #48

If other forms of suicide were available, would that ease of fears of some .... Scuba Mar 2013 #27

While your point is logical sarisataka Mar 2013 #29

I disagree only with your contention that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #32

Guns are clearly a top choice sarisataka Mar 2013 #34

I used to have a saying 'There's a reason I don't keep a gun in the house.' That was it. freshwest Mar 2013 #31

+1 Kurt Cobain is a perfect example. I pity his child and wife. vs. John Lennon. I pity the world. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43

I have no idea if this the beginning if Gungeon II, as some posters spend most of their time there. freshwest Mar 2013 #46

Please see my other posts in this thread #'s 13 and 47. Scuba Mar 2013 #50

Good questions raised by the OP nonoyes Mar 2013 #33

Thank you for this thoughtful reply. Scuba Mar 2013 #35

What does it take rrneck Mar 2013 #36

I have a theory, but, what do I know? nonoyes Mar 2013 #39

Any moral question rrneck Mar 2013 #64

Thanks for your view. nonoyes Mar 2013 #66

Nobody does anything for just one reason. rrneck Mar 2013 #68

Suicide is a reason FOR gun control BainsBane Mar 2013 #38

I value your insight on this topic, even if nonoyes Mar 2013 #40

No rate is fully successful BainsBane Mar 2013 #44

rates Progressive dog Mar 2013 #55

Now we defend guns because they get used for suicide? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #51

Tell me that you, like I, have not suspected that impulse was buried in this issue somewhere, all patrice Mar 2013 #53

I think facilitating suicide in a population that is significantly oppressed by economics is patrice Mar 2013 #52

Sorry, I'm just a farm boy. What are "broader cognitive resources" and how might they be degraded.. Scuba Mar 2013 #54

The definition of rational is not as absolute as we might pretend it is. There are always judgement patrice Mar 2013 #56

I'm trying to understand your post. Let's start with your very first statement ... Scuba Mar 2013 #58

Do you agree with my basic criteria: the best decisions are made by free individuals? patrice Mar 2013 #59

Farm boy? Think genetic management here, only make it intellectual potential and appropriate patrice Mar 2013 #57

Gun deaths shaped by race in America GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #67

This post is absurd and offensive. ellisonz Mar 2013 #69