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freshwest

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60. Since we don't live in Logan's Run, I doubt suicide will ever be offered in a neutral format.
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 07:08 PM
Mar 2013

If you or anyone is preparing for death as I have the last few years and fully grasp the inevitable humiliation the end of life entails for most of us, there are steps to be taken.

DNR orders, Power of Attorney, Living Wills, Will and Testament and a paid up policy for the funeral home to come, clean and transport remains. Turning my home into a crime scene would be devastating to all who live here afterwards, as there are clauses about deaths that future occupants do inquire upon.

In my situation, I have total say so and am making sure that when I become incapacitated, my wishes will be carried out. To shoot myself because of pain that cannot be treated, would hurt those I leave behind.

So I do not get to go out on my own terms, which I wish. If I had no one who would be hurt by knowing I'd taken a violent means and not said goodbye, which would be a slap in the face and not allow closure, I'd possibly take my own life.

That would be private, but our lives are never lived in private except for stolen moments, and to leave others wondering what amount of pain I was in to have hated my life so much and not regarded their feelings, why I did not say good bye, would hurt them.

I know families where a relative took their life and the 'spirit of suicide' affected the remaining living, made them wonder why they were going through their own problems and suffering, and had to endure and some attempted suicide. After all, if So&so did it, why not?

Is this the legacy one wants to leave to those we love, who may not understand? That we turn them away from our grief and sorrow, and leave them a bloody mess to clean up? That being almost as hurtful as doing it in their face, to destroy their view of life and us and even the value of life itself?

These are the questions I had to ask myself when contemplating such an end ot life. I have seen much in this world I did not want which blighted my joy of life and made me wonder why I should bother. Each person has their own burden, so why would I pass this on?

It is said that 'the love that we withhold is the pain we carry' from one life to the next. If there is a chance we may continue on as an energy or whatever, why would you want to return to face the same traumas and pain again, until you found peace for not overcoming it now?

I'm using the generic 'you' as I hope you are not speaking of yourself. It is also said, and I know the feeling of liberation that considering suicide brings, a freedom one does not want to give up, to be at that doorway. To be at that crossroads and have the luxury of choice is tantalizing. It is hard to go back and work on a life broken by pain, loss or deprivation of what one expected and worked for. It takes humility, which coupled with love for those we care for, is not a burden or weakness.

By saying you want an easier path to death, it sounds like you have made up your mind to take that last freedom and go on your own terms, regardless of the cradle of life that you now live within. To be contemplating death is to discount life, it's said. But I can't tell anyone what to do, but I would not keep a gun about whose only use is to kill myself, for the reasons stated above.

It almost sounds, although I am sure you don't really mean to say there is a therapeutic use for a gun. I remember being in a lot of pain with no cure, thinking 'But they shoot horses, don't they?' It seems more humane, but we are not livestock, we are beings who live in a whole. A death by gunshot cannot be a private matter, the vibration of that last sound will reverberate in many lives. Is that what we want to do?

Make some better plans, is all I would say to the generic 'you' I am speaking of. I'm not judging or dismissing pain, but I have felt that feeling of release, that desire to have it all over with, while still capable of choosing life or death and not dying under the care of someone who I may not trust and who may or may not respect me as person.

That's all I can thing to say about suicide by gun or death in general. I googled when I was answering this, and found many webpages on how to kill oneself, there are many ways that don't involve guns.

So this isn't really a practical use for gun ownership.


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Guns aside for the moment... Riftaxe Mar 2013 #1
Guns aside ... Scuba Mar 2013 #2
lol see edit Riftaxe Mar 2013 #5
Suicide issue is a 100% distraction and the latest attempt by the NRA folks graham4anything Mar 2013 #3
Can you please cite a source for those statitistics? Thanks. Scuba Mar 2013 #4
take this to the following section graham4anything Mar 2013 #7
So your are alleging that suicide by gun is common or uncommon Riftaxe Mar 2013 #6
take it to the Mental Health information group thread located: graham4anything Mar 2013 #8
Can we get rid of cancer Riftaxe Mar 2013 #9
Take it to the general or health groups. There is no longer any reason to make nice to guns graham4anything Mar 2013 #10
A True Zealot Riftaxe Mar 2013 #12
Problem solved? No, getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us ... Scuba Mar 2013 #13
Dr. Jack has a humane zero cost method that can be used. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
Final exit also has the solution Riftaxe Mar 2013 #24
Talking about death on a forum that is PRO-life(aka NO guns/bullets) is not on the SOP graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
If only death were guns/bullets Riftaxe Mar 2013 #30
That is a discussion that I would have Riftaxe Mar 2013 #17
I too would welcome a discussion regarding suicidal rights, but that's not what I'm addressing here. Scuba Mar 2013 #22
'getting rid of all the guns creates a problem for those of us who rationally want to end our lives' freshwest Mar 2013 #45
No, my apparently poorly constructed OP was advocating for consideration of an idea ... Scuba Mar 2013 #47
Since we don't live in Logan's Run, I doubt suicide will ever be offered in a neutral format. freshwest Mar 2013 #60
"So this isn't really a practical use for gun ownership. " Scuba Mar 2013 #61
Again, there are many methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #62
I didn't say don't do it - you missed that part. There are other ways, I can post links. freshwest Mar 2013 #63
"Suicide will not be written into gun control as part of a legal exemption ..." Is that what ... Scuba Mar 2013 #65
there are lots of other methods BainsBane Mar 2013 #49
Incorrect. Nationally, 60% of gun deaths are suicide. Robb Mar 2013 #11
These numbers keep getting tossed out without sources. Can you please provide a citation? Scuba Mar 2013 #14
Citation is the #1 word used by pro-gun advocates. graham4anything Mar 2013 #15
Well now you have heard it sarisataka Mar 2013 #18
100% of all gun suicides can be avoided with the 100% eradication of bullets in the USA graham4anything Mar 2013 #20
So I gather that you oppose the right to die? MH1 Mar 2013 #41
In this context "citation" means a link to a credible source. I've used it in that manner ... Scuba Mar 2013 #19
... Robb Mar 2013 #21
Thank you. Perhaps this adds credence to my hypothesis that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #25
Suicide is a separate, related issue sarisataka Mar 2013 #23
I disagree. Making it harder to lay hands on a gun will stop spur-of-the-moment suicide attempts. Robb Mar 2013 #26
That is the real issue. Impulse suicide is facilitated by gunz. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #37
In theory it's unrelated, but in practice? MH1 Mar 2013 #42
+1 freshwest Mar 2013 #48
If other forms of suicide were available, would that ease of fears of some .... Scuba Mar 2013 #27
While your point is logical sarisataka Mar 2013 #29
I disagree only with your contention that ... Scuba Mar 2013 #32
Guns are clearly a top choice sarisataka Mar 2013 #34
I used to have a saying 'There's a reason I don't keep a gun in the house.' That was it. freshwest Mar 2013 #31
+1 Kurt Cobain is a perfect example. I pity his child and wife. vs. John Lennon. I pity the world. graham4anything Mar 2013 #43
I have no idea if this the beginning if Gungeon II, as some posters spend most of their time there. freshwest Mar 2013 #46
Please see my other posts in this thread #'s 13 and 47. Scuba Mar 2013 #50
Good questions raised by the OP nonoyes Mar 2013 #33
Thank you for this thoughtful reply. Scuba Mar 2013 #35
What does it take rrneck Mar 2013 #36
I have a theory, but, what do I know? nonoyes Mar 2013 #39
Any moral question rrneck Mar 2013 #64
Thanks for your view. nonoyes Mar 2013 #66
Nobody does anything for just one reason. rrneck Mar 2013 #68
Suicide is a reason FOR gun control BainsBane Mar 2013 #38
I value your insight on this topic, even if nonoyes Mar 2013 #40
No rate is fully successful BainsBane Mar 2013 #44
rates Progressive dog Mar 2013 #55
Now we defend guns because they get used for suicide? Progressive dog Mar 2013 #51
Tell me that you, like I, have not suspected that impulse was buried in this issue somewhere, all patrice Mar 2013 #53
I think facilitating suicide in a population that is significantly oppressed by economics is patrice Mar 2013 #52
Sorry, I'm just a farm boy. What are "broader cognitive resources" and how might they be degraded.. Scuba Mar 2013 #54
The definition of rational is not as absolute as we might pretend it is. There are always judgement patrice Mar 2013 #56
I'm trying to understand your post. Let's start with your very first statement ... Scuba Mar 2013 #58
Do you agree with my basic criteria: the best decisions are made by free individuals? patrice Mar 2013 #59
Farm boy? Think genetic management here, only make it intellectual potential and appropriate patrice Mar 2013 #57
Gun deaths shaped by race in America GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #67
This post is absurd and offensive. ellisonz Mar 2013 #69
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