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apocalypsehow

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28. Now you shift the goalposts.
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 05:23 PM
Mar 2013
"But the auto registration argument does fall apart."

No, it doesn't.

"Trying to force people to pay annual taxes or fees on guns is just going to result in massive non-compliance"

Then I guess there's going to be some law-abiding gun owners who are going to have to decide whether they wish to remain "law-abiding" or not - just like a lot of Southern school boards had to decide whether they were going to remain law-abiding after Brown v. Board. And we all know how THAT ended up: those "standing in the schoolhouse door" on the wrong side of history are long gone, just like the pro-NRA arguments will be history within a generation. Your grandchildren, and mine, will live in a United States with Australian/Canadian/Western European-style gun laws - and we can all be thankful for it.

"The proposals for massive annual fees and certificates that must be kept with the weapon at all times are just a method to price people out of owning guns. Making ownership financially painful is really a backdoor method of confiscation as people on hard times or the poor (a lot of rural people) would have to give them up. And the certificate idea would require that certificate to be presented to purchase ammo, but you have to have it with the gun at all times."

And?

"What I want to get across is that if you just want registration to track handguns, that is simple to do. If you want to punish lawful owners and force them top get rid of their guns, then the fees and taxes are the way to go. But don't act they are radical if they oppose a $100 per gun/year fee."

I don't think they're "radical," just misguided. And I'm not looking to "punish" anyone. I think registration is a sensible measure, and I would base the registration fee - the "tag" if you will - upon the type of firearm, just like most states do on the age of a vehicle. For instance, shotguns, hunting rifles, and plinking pistols - anything less than .25 caliber - would face the lowest registration fee in a graduated system. The fees would rise from there, depending on the make and model of the firearm, and a formula to determine it's utility in civilian hands. Civilians who want to tote around military-grade weaponry should pay more for the privilege of getting to act out their Red Dawn daydreams.

Besides which, this is a one-time fee, upon transfer of ownership, unlike the annual "tag" fee, so gun owners (like myself) would be getting off easy in the pocketbook compared to tagging and insuring cars every year. If one can't afford to be playing around with guns and these modest fees would tax a few Bobo's out of the AR-15 totin' market, that's just too bad. A lot of us who'd like to drive a Mercedes or BMW don't get that privilege either, but have to settle for more modest wheels.

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An excellent point! Rec. With all/most of jmg257 Mar 2013 #1
Recomended defacto7 Mar 2013 #2
I disagree with your characterization of '1%' or 'loonies' being paranoid about this issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #3
Well, you've sort of proven my point. DanTex Mar 2013 #4
I don't disagree the response is irrational. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #5
Yes, I agree it's more than 1% -- that was hyperbole. DanTex Mar 2013 #6
I accept the revised characterization. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7
I'd be willing to re-open NFA if it meant getting all guns registered. DanTex Mar 2013 #8
Handguns would be a great start at least. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #9
Not only a great start, safeinOhio Mar 2013 #10
The 1986 GOPA exempts the NFA registry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #11
Seems like marions ghost Mar 2013 #49
Add to this the confiscation of weapons after Katrina. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #12
One thing to keep in mind is that gun owners fear paying expensive fees each year with registration NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #13
So? Get rid of them. If you have a dog, you have to purchase a liscence for EACH ONE graham4anything Mar 2013 #14
^^THIS^^ is why gun owners oppose registration. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #15
So? So what. The entire issue needs to be reframed. And a new SCOTUS to reinterpret. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
LOL NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #17
Guns are the authoritarian's dreams as you crudely said. graham4anything Mar 2013 #18
There are two sides to this, moral and political. DanTex Mar 2013 #48
Guns cost society much much more marions ghost Mar 2013 #50
I bought a new car two weeks ago and - guess what! - the state is now requiring me to register and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #20
No, it's not a false analogy. I purchased an item the state has determined needs to be kept track of apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #22
How common actually is it to have a truck that is "kept on the farm" ??? ellisonz Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #24
okay - so you agree that it's not the norm and that for the most part people don't do this? ellisonz Mar 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #26
You have to register a car to use it on public roads. b_in_AK Mar 2013 #27
Now you shift the goalposts. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #29
Yes, you did move the goalposts and followed the so-moving up with more meaningless jazz: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #32
Your concession, of sorts, is duly noted. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #34
Except, it's not a "thought": it's been proven. The reason you chose not to reply to #31 apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #39
Sure you did. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
The FULL QUOTE please, not your dishonest parsing of it: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #37
You start to catch on! I knew you could do it! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #38
By-the-bye, for those keeping count: "But I will finish with this response," Nutmeg Yankee, #32. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #40
He saw the best bet in this lop-sided "debate" he was losing was to self-delete and Run! Run! Run! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #43
I've blocked this poster. ellisonz Mar 2013 #44
+1000. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #53
No, it's not. This is 2013, not 1913. Post links, please, proving the following assertions: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #42
Since felons cannot be compelled to register their guns GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #30
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #45
Don't put him on ignore or you'll never be on his jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #46
Rather he's been blocked from the group ellisonz Mar 2013 #47
Good. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #51
Our goal is to not have that happen here... ellisonz Mar 2013 #52
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