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jimmy the one

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23. revisionist history - 2ndA
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:55 PM
Mar 2013

Thanks airplane & capn steve, et al.

gecko: {what is} "real" 2013 meaning of the 2A? Is it a complete anachronism? Shall we simply pretend it's not there?

It's revisionist history, & yeah probably an anachronism after the charles dick act early 1900 which eliminated 'well regulated citizens militias'. Can't ignore it as long as nra remains far right.
Odd, what might've been considered more proper to revoke during the mid 20th century due obsolesence, went the other direction & loosened to allow guns galore now. Prohibition amendment 18 was revoked by 21st amendment, a loosening as well, but a revocation of an amendment.
.. scalia revised the historical interpretation to appease modern day rightwing thought. Had congress enacted a new amendment in 2008 granting americans today an individual rkba I'd've had no real problem with it, since it would represent modern thought & culture, but to twist the interpretation of the original 2ndA into what they did was wrong, since it empowers the nra to block guncontrol legislation using the pretext of infringing on 2ndA's individual rkba (in spite of the qualifier scalia included).

What about states rights and individual states providing for self defense in their constitutions?

Dang gecko, thanks, I'd maybe gone years before realizing this. Okay here I go:
Since I no longer own any guns & have no intent.. (shut up & cut to the chase jimmy)....
Er, I hereby renounce my pennsylvania right to keep & bear arms!
The second renunciation of jimmy, on easter. Gotta get some tarot cards see what it means.

Thanks again gecko, another reason the 2ndA is obsolete & antiquated, for even were it to be interpreted correctly as a militia right, or even revoked, americans could still comfort themselves in their state rkba (tho some of them are obsolete too, re militia).

Jarhead, coinky dinky I was also falsely accused of a crime in south carolina, charges quickly dismissed since I had ample evidence to clear it since based on lies, but don't care for south carolina system, too red a state. You can't get whatever expunged? (bad news SC wants about $250 to do that).

Hey jmg, how'd that lenten gun abstinence play out for you? did you feel relieved, happier, less antsy, or, did you feel naked, vulnerable to crime or people around you? Are you happier that easter lifts the abstinence? (nyuck!)
I've been gunfree for over 10 years now & I feel fine!

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I renounce my 2nd amendment right [View all] jimmy the one Mar 2013 OP
Okay. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #1
Thanks for explaining all of that. Many of us agree with you completely. freshwest Mar 2013 #2
Thanks for the notification. Flatulo Mar 2013 #3
the rich were still the rich back then pasto76 Mar 2013 #4
I read that as "chased a duck through a parking lot" Robb Mar 2013 #6
In his defense Orrex Mar 2013 #10
If everyone did as you have done than only nobody would have guns. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #5
So what is the "real" 2013 meaning of the 2A? Is it a complete anachronism? geckosfeet Mar 2013 #7
An anachronism because of the Civil War. And now willfully misinterpreted. Loudly Mar 2013 #16
Fine with me. It's a free country. closeupready Mar 2013 #8
Well you really don't have to relinguish any Right Whoopdedoo Mar 2013 #9
I don't own any guns mercymechap Mar 2013 #11
That’s just like, your opinion, man... Malik Agar Mar 2013 #12
Almost Funny. Mine Was Taken ProgressiveJarhead Mar 2013 #13
I agree with you. airplaneman Mar 2013 #14
As long as guns are legal, MicaelS Mar 2013 #15
The mental health aspect is all fine and wonderful... and totally unrealistic. world wide wally Mar 2013 #17
I gave mine up for Lent. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18
Spot on, Jimmy! CapnSteve Mar 2013 #19
How would the free states end slave patrols? Nothing at all about jmg257 Mar 2013 #21
OK, Let me fill in the gaps for you... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #24
Familiar with all that. So how could the congress dis-ban the state militias? jmg257 Apr 2013 #25
You are confusing federal militias with state militias (aka slave patrols)... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #26
Not at all. You are wrong here. The Constitution uses the term "the Militia" jmg257 Apr 2013 #27
OK, now you are just playing with semantics... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #28
Semantics?? What we are REALLY illustrating here is the VERY VALID USE of STATE militias jmg257 Apr 2013 #30
Because there was no federal militias, the congress had powers... jmg257 Apr 2013 #29
revanchism jimmy the one Apr 2013 #31
Ha - as usual - words of wisdom! (And what I have been saying all along ;)) jmg257 Apr 2013 #32
Just don't give up my 2A rights for me. ileus Mar 2013 #20
You are certainly free to do so. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #22
revisionist history - 2ndA jimmy the one Mar 2013 #23
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