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jmg257

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25. Familiar with all that. So how could the congress dis-ban the state militias?
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:32 AM
Apr 2013

These were entities ALL states had, as mandated under the Articles.

"every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered"


And THESE entities were now given VERY specific duties in the new constitution for securing all our liberties.

"Congress shall...provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United
States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual
Service "


Disbanning them would be an extreme form of tyranny, even without the 2nd amendment to secure them. Now, mention the ability of the congress to destroy them by DISarming them due to their new powers of arming and then you have the primary purpose for the 2nd.

Well regulated militias were important, not just in slave sates, but in free states too - for dealing with insurrections like in MA and PA, enforcing laws, serving as defence from invasion; and VITAL in the federal Constitutionally -mandated roles, required for intial common defence, repealing invasions, etc. etc. And especially necessary for removing the pretext for large standing armies. As the amendment debates in congress clearly show.

Of course putting down slave rebellions was a part of it - for slave states. They had particular interest in maintaing some control over them in light "of their situation", as the Virgina ratifying debates clearly show. They didn't want them to be rendered useless or destroyed by over-use all across the continent, harsh martial law treatment, etc. However, they also realized effective militias, meaning well-regulated, with uniform organization and training via federal guidleines, was clearly an advantage overall.


The 2nd is not all about slavery. Not by a long shot. Just like 'individual private use of arms', slavery was not even mentioned in the congressional debates.

Clearer now?

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I renounce my 2nd amendment right [View all] jimmy the one Mar 2013 OP
Okay. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #1
Thanks for explaining all of that. Many of us agree with you completely. freshwest Mar 2013 #2
Thanks for the notification. Flatulo Mar 2013 #3
the rich were still the rich back then pasto76 Mar 2013 #4
I read that as "chased a duck through a parking lot" Robb Mar 2013 #6
In his defense Orrex Mar 2013 #10
If everyone did as you have done than only nobody would have guns. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #5
So what is the "real" 2013 meaning of the 2A? Is it a complete anachronism? geckosfeet Mar 2013 #7
An anachronism because of the Civil War. And now willfully misinterpreted. Loudly Mar 2013 #16
Fine with me. It's a free country. closeupready Mar 2013 #8
Well you really don't have to relinguish any Right Whoopdedoo Mar 2013 #9
I don't own any guns mercymechap Mar 2013 #11
That’s just like, your opinion, man... Malik Agar Mar 2013 #12
Almost Funny. Mine Was Taken ProgressiveJarhead Mar 2013 #13
I agree with you. airplaneman Mar 2013 #14
As long as guns are legal, MicaelS Mar 2013 #15
The mental health aspect is all fine and wonderful... and totally unrealistic. world wide wally Mar 2013 #17
I gave mine up for Lent. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18
Spot on, Jimmy! CapnSteve Mar 2013 #19
How would the free states end slave patrols? Nothing at all about jmg257 Mar 2013 #21
OK, Let me fill in the gaps for you... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #24
Familiar with all that. So how could the congress dis-ban the state militias? jmg257 Apr 2013 #25
You are confusing federal militias with state militias (aka slave patrols)... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #26
Not at all. You are wrong here. The Constitution uses the term "the Militia" jmg257 Apr 2013 #27
OK, now you are just playing with semantics... CapnSteve Apr 2013 #28
Semantics?? What we are REALLY illustrating here is the VERY VALID USE of STATE militias jmg257 Apr 2013 #30
Because there was no federal militias, the congress had powers... jmg257 Apr 2013 #29
revanchism jimmy the one Apr 2013 #31
Ha - as usual - words of wisdom! (And what I have been saying all along ;)) jmg257 Apr 2013 #32
Just don't give up my 2A rights for me. ileus Mar 2013 #20
You are certainly free to do so. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #22
revisionist history - 2ndA jimmy the one Mar 2013 #23
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