Something tells me this group is going to be about as heavily trafficked as "Nuclear Free" in E&E.

[apocalypsehow]

12. Something tells me there is a lot of anger and resentment boiling over about the creation

of this group in the first place from our "pro gun progressives"*. Indeed, there is a monumental whine-fest going on over in NRA-land, aka The Gungeon, right now:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172114935

Some of the whinier, cry-babyish gems:

"will those of one group be held to a lesser standard or (Sic) smear & invective?"

"So, they will enjoy the same high level of smear & and accusation...when posting in BOTH groups, but a pro-2A person posting in "activism" can be shut out for not "activating?" "

"It would appear they want a safe haven to promulgate their side -- and be protected from anyone who does not share their singular viewpoint -- yet be able to venture over the border using the same slash & burn attacks the jury system seems to have bred, over in this "gun control" group.

It would be nice if there was a little mire (Sic) transparency about this change to 2 gun control groups."

"Now they shouldn't be so well protected here.

Since they have their own group that is a safe haven that changes a few things now. I think the host here should have more freedom to ban those who come here just to shit stir."

"We've both seen the garbage dumped in here, with little chance a "jury" will hide it; I quit alerting some weeks ago. If a proposal is made to formalize a practice to hide/can this enabled & promoted routine of baiting-then-hiding, I'm willing to consider it.

Some may recall when a few yrs. ago I predicted a strategy whereby gun-controllers would garbage-dump this site, then equate the result with an "unprogressive" or "RW" forum, and seek to ban or isolate it. It didn't work completely, but with the "jury" system and their safe-haven status, they are free to resume their "activism," which seems limited to stigmatizing fellow DUers."

"Echo chamber for those who can't stick to the facts and honestly debate the topic"

"be allowed to use SOP as a means to hide comments, but will continue to employ the usual denigration & smear in this gun control group"

"There does appear to be a double standard at work"

"I have been away for a few weeks and came back to find the new group. It sounds like the new group will only repeat anti-gun talking points and allow no contrary discussion"

"My concern is on-going: The persistent campaign if stigmatization and smear may continue unchecked in this group, under current conditions. I think that is an explicit goal for controllers, here and out of DU.

And it is "unwelcoming" and "disruptive," yet core to culture war. Let them have their little fortress. I merely want closer scrutiny of the kind of behavior more closely associated with inquisitors, not liberals.

No one can deny this behavior has been tolerated, even promoted, when it comes to this group.

I also call for a new group title: The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Let it continue to be an OPEN forum for debate, but not a proving ground for culture war tactics."

"A large chunk of the pro-gun-control side wants to wage a cultural war through restrictive laws designed to deny to the "problem people" the guns that they generally buy"

"I think its telling many anti's here shun open debate on gun control and felt the need to create their little echo chamber. Not very democratic, IMO."

Then, there is a curious little sub-thread where one of the pro-NRA Gungeon regulars attempts to smear a genuine progressive by calling attention to their sign up date and posting count, albeit she does it subtly, with a tactic well-honed with practice during years of doing same all over DU and the support of her fellow Gungeoneers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=115045

Then it's right back to more crying, whining, wailing, and generally childish and juvenile temper tantrums and carrying-on:

"my guess is that we will by locked out within a week"

"it means not wanting their assumptions challenged."

"looks (Sic) like yours were more successful as you got your group while this group was not allowed to expand the SoP."

"This message was hidden by Jury decision. Show"

"basically, they want an echo chamber"

"Ridiculous attempt to stifle an opposing view"

Ohhhh, the humanity!

Whining around on a liberal discussion board about how they just simply can't understand why posting pro-NRA propaganda and talking points day-in and day-out nonstop is such a problem for the vast majority of DU'ers...such a sad, sad tale being told by our "pro gun progressives"**....


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