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ceonupe

(597 posts)
5. i guess my point was is there anything
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:27 AM
Jun 2013

on another note I believe 3 things killed the BC bill.

1) the big gulp ban (illustrated the extremes of government control some authoritarians like bloomberg want and is about as traditonally un american to most people as you can get and reminds people of a Nanny/control state)

2) the desire by DiFi and even some republicans to amend the bill to add in the AWB/ national reciprocity (should have been a separate bill and made sure the first BC bill vote was just a check list for both sides to get their votes in for election season and was not serious) Both sides did this with amendments that should not have been attached if the goal from either side was to have a clean gun purchase background check system that was to be near universal

3) the lack of earmarks.

Number 3 is something I have learned alot about over the past 2-3 years as they have pretty much gone away. Earmarks used to be the way you could get difficult bills pasted and get the votes. I understand the reason to reform the system but just like in real life negotiating without money rarely leads to a good result. I could have seen 3-5 or more republicans not facing immediate re election vote for the BC bill had they had something to take home to their red states. An example from a senator " I voted with my conscience on the Universal background check bill voting for it and i brought home some federal money and programs and i saved the town military base."

I don't agree with the strategy and idea that things are good for one but not another solely because the risk the first person losing their benefit. In this case what i am saying is if Bloomberg supports MAy issue and the benefits he believes it provides in terms of safety then why not support those other states that want to model their rules after yours? Now me I am personally against all MAY issue laws not just on gun purchase/carry permits. I believe if people meet requirements they should be granted the lic. Too many games and violations of equal access happen when only the politically connected, celebrities and wealthy get access to what should be available to all that qualify. ( i know many in this group disagree and I respect that)

It just seams like if you aren't NY or CA you cant even dream about getting to the level of GC they have because of the new current GC movement are running risk analysis on other states laws and proposed laws based on what might happen to their own.
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Lots of frustration in IL on how little help they got from MAIG and bloomberg during their recent situation with concealed carry. It seams like all the GC groups accept maybe cease fire left them out to dry. and let me say again not that i support MAY issue but if u asked me a year ago i would have bet IL would pass May issue just to settle the CCW case and move forward. But now it looks like IL will join the many Shall issue states and not the ranks of MAY issue (I believe only NY, CA, Maryland, and NJ are may issue).

Good luck with your activism and hopefully one day we will meet on subjects we have even more agreement in both in implementation and ultimate result. You have been very polite to me here as an outsider and i am glad we could discuss some things. I also am glad that their are some people over here that also notice the politics of it all.

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