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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
16. Human beings are very good at cooperation.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mar 2013

If you want workable public policy to reduce violence in society, forcing those with a propensity to violence to band together is probably the wrong way to go about it.

Ever heard of wilding?

Of course cooperation, like any other tool in our evolutionary toolkit, can be used for good or ill. We don't need guns to do evil. All we need is injustice. Jared Diamond in Collapse shows that the Rwandan genocide had more to do with the inequitable distribution of inherited land than with ideology.

Take a away all the guns and you will have a Sandy Hook every day from people who could not defend themselves or were percieved as defenseless by others who don't really need a gun to brutalize them. The difference is that it won't become a "national debate". They will just be a statistic. Most people understand that. That's why the current gun control initiatives are have such a hard time in congress. Real people in the real world will not willingly give up the option of self defense without some assurance that we can provide it.

You want gun control? Solve the self defense problem.

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I'm confused... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #1
Self-defense, subsistence hunting, or pest control. slackmaster Mar 2013 #2
Makes me want to emigrate to Australia to get away from the likes of you Kolesar Mar 2013 #4
There's far fewer like that in Australia, but we do have guns here... Violet_Crumble Mar 2013 #24
This was already all debunked in OP. graham4anything Mar 2013 #5
I don't agree with your claim of debunking. slackmaster Mar 2013 #6
Call an exterminator and they set traps and they come back and remove them graham4anything Mar 2013 #8
After the exterminator removes them, then what? slackmaster Mar 2013 #9
Then another nra soundbyte bites the dust. No bullet in the streets are needed. graham4anything Mar 2013 #11
I'll agree with your theoretical scenario. Travis_0004 Mar 2013 #23
There is ZERO reason to have a bullet. ZERO. Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #31
Selfishness (and greed) rrneck Mar 2013 #3
So what are you arguing here? graham4anything Mar 2013 #7
Guns should not be a fetish object rrneck Mar 2013 #13
No other graham4anything Mar 2013 #15
Human beings are very good at cooperation. rrneck Mar 2013 #16
That idealistic world doesn't exist. Nor is it guaranteed we will have a society that functions dkf Mar 2013 #10
Your bullets are a false icon graham4anything Mar 2013 #12
I have no bullets. But I don't pretend things will always be organized and civilized. dkf Mar 2013 #14
Most 'perceived needs' for guns are based on selfishness. jmg257 Mar 2013 #17
+1. Both emotions are played consistently by the gun lobby to increase sales, not peace or justice. freshwest Mar 2013 #18
I just reread the SOP for this group and found Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #19
Explain please Crepuscular Mar 2013 #20
Use a bow and arrow like the original Native Americans did before the interlopers took their land graham4anything Mar 2013 #21
I do Crepuscular Mar 2013 #22
Or just enact strict regulation, as other countries have done, and eliminate most gun violence. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #25
to deal with fear and paranoia DrDan Mar 2013 #26
sounds good in theory Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #27
Who asked ZIMMERMAN to protect me with his gun and bullet graham4anything Mar 2013 #28
why are you making Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #29
Bow and arrow, like the Native Americans did, before the interlopers brought firearms to the country graham4anything Mar 2013 #30
I went back and re-read your OP and you are correct Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #32
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