Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Sancho

(9,110 posts)
20. We are rehashing the same arguments in the book I suggested...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:59 AM
Nov 2014

And that isn't going to change the conclusion. Those lawyers who argued the cases still come back to the political and social values that drive courts. That book is a good legal summary, but I'm sure there are others. It happens to be current and historically through.

I'm not going to continue to argue what is already written and try to predict the future. Heller opened the door to protect us from dangerous people, even thought the current courts are extreme in interpretation. We all know this..and I've read the same legal arguments over and over. They still don't seem to be able to refocus on the social science instead of the physical gun even thought that's the opening in the law and the logical way to improve the existing problems. Why debate micro stamping of bullets just to enforce existing criminal law? Just make it harder for dangerous people to get bullets to start with!

That's why I'm suggesting people control not gun control..you can see all these exact debates with citations in the bibliography of an army of lawyers in the 2014 book. That book also has a nice list of current articles that support or refute the same cases you mention. I think the political will and follow up with laws will come from acknowledgement that filtering people is not gun control, but it's protecting the public. The exact court interpretation of some of my list are not entirely tested all the way to the supreme court, but if it's popular enough it can happen.

It's reasonable to protect people from any obvious threat: Ebola, guns, etc. That may require curtailing some right (like enforcing a quarantine) or a right to form a militia or use hate speech! People can be prevented from causing a danger if there is acknowledgement that it's not a gun debate but a safety debate. I still think a license to purchase or possess won't restrict your gun rights, but simply protects the public if you are not safe with a gun. My list doesn't name any particular type of gun or prevent you from self protection or require a national database check for every purchase. There is no restriction on speech. The exact requirements of the license will be tested, but as long as they work (such as a screening that prevents shootings) courts will uphold their legality.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Nov 2014 #1
We could be twin brothers of different mothers. flamin lib Nov 2014 #2
Yes...happens everyday... Sancho Nov 2014 #3
Mandatory safe storage is a good idea, GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
Everyone should know if you are dangerous... Sancho Nov 2014 #5
Regarding safe storage, how would that be enforced? GGJohn Nov 2014 #6
Sure there's a right to protect the public from danger... Sancho Nov 2014 #7
You didn't answer my question, GGJohn Nov 2014 #8
Simple... Sancho Nov 2014 #9
I'm all for safe storage laws, but enforcing it is problematic. GGJohn Nov 2014 #10
You are exaggerating.. Sancho Nov 2014 #11
Which rule would you enforce with an ordinance or law? Sancho Nov 2014 #12
Mandatory, unannouced home inspections. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #23
We know that there are all sorts of "legal" challenges..but here's the thing... Sancho Nov 2014 #24
A few thoughts. branford Nov 2014 #13
Just like always, folks overreach their "rights" but don't answer the question!!! Sancho Nov 2014 #14
First, with all due respect, you are not the arbiter of whether and what I choose to post. branford Nov 2014 #15
Everything I propose is legal... Sancho Nov 2014 #16
Sigh. branford Nov 2014 #17
Sigh... Sancho Nov 2014 #18
The threats you want to quite rightly prevent are already illegal. branford Nov 2014 #19
We are rehashing the same arguments in the book I suggested... Sancho Nov 2014 #20
We're unfortunately talking past each other. branford Nov 2014 #21
I just mentioned the one book because it's convenient...I can give you a bibliography if you like.. Sancho Nov 2014 #22
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Gun Control Reform Activism»Another senseless death a...»Reply #20