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AtheistCrusader

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3. I disagree with your characterization of '1%' or 'loonies' being paranoid about this issue.
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:56 PM
Mar 2013

I've been advocating for total firearms registration for many, many years. Whenever I discuss this with other gun owners, regardless of party affiliation, the answer is always 'no'. And they always seem to have a ready opinion on the issue, don't even need to think about it. Even my parents, both solid union democrats, vehemently against registration.

So, keep your target audience in mind.

That said, the issues that will have to be overcome to get this sort of thing to pass:

1. California's botched assault weapons registry with extended registration deadline that was later overturned in court, leading to liquidation of any firearms registered after the initial registry period.
2. Closure of the NFA registry via the Hughes Amendment.
3. And that stupid old fucking fabricated 'hitler' quote about registration. That quote is so common, I've been banned from discussion groups elsewhere for even ATTEMPTING to show that it is fabricated.
4. The failed registry in Canada, mostly a debacle due to cost.

Issue 3 is probably your biggest opponent. And not just that singular quote, it comes in many forms, about Russia, and other places that really didn't have a lot to do with registration, but can be easily misconstrued so as to foment a negative opinion of registration.

Issue two is a 'give a little to get a little' simple fix. Repeal the Hughes Amendment. Re-open the NFA registry. Easy peasey, done. They can still sort of point to it as an example, but it loses most of its thunder if the registry is open again.

Issue one requires assurances from the outset. The induction registration period needs to be CHEAP, EASY, and LONG. If it's a pain in the ass or too expensive like the Canadian registry, we won't get any support for it. If it's short, nobody will risk it, a la California.


To gain support, talk up the positives.

1. Your weapon can easily be identified if taken and used in a crime.
2. Said weapon can be returned to you, if recovered from a crime, or black market sale/sting.
3. Registration will assist border states (particularly Mexico border) in drying up the supply of firearms to the cartels, making everyone safer. This will practically nuke the idea of a straw purchaser. First time a gun is recovered from a crime scene via a straw purchaser, all their other purchases are looked at, go directly to jail. Hype this. Shit, conservatives LOVE throwing people in jail. They should be on board too.
4. Opening the NFA registry. IN FACT, you could just use the existing registry, and as I have suggested elsewhere on this forum, simply extend the covered firearms downwards from automatic weapons, to all semi-autos, or better, all firearms period.

Anyhoo, hope this helps.

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An excellent point! Rec. With all/most of jmg257 Mar 2013 #1
Recomended defacto7 Mar 2013 #2
I disagree with your characterization of '1%' or 'loonies' being paranoid about this issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #3
Well, you've sort of proven my point. DanTex Mar 2013 #4
I don't disagree the response is irrational. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #5
Yes, I agree it's more than 1% -- that was hyperbole. DanTex Mar 2013 #6
I accept the revised characterization. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #7
I'd be willing to re-open NFA if it meant getting all guns registered. DanTex Mar 2013 #8
Handguns would be a great start at least. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #9
Not only a great start, safeinOhio Mar 2013 #10
The 1986 GOPA exempts the NFA registry. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #11
Seems like marions ghost Mar 2013 #49
Add to this the confiscation of weapons after Katrina. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #12
One thing to keep in mind is that gun owners fear paying expensive fees each year with registration NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #13
So? Get rid of them. If you have a dog, you have to purchase a liscence for EACH ONE graham4anything Mar 2013 #14
^^THIS^^ is why gun owners oppose registration. NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #15
So? So what. The entire issue needs to be reframed. And a new SCOTUS to reinterpret. graham4anything Mar 2013 #16
LOL NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #17
Guns are the authoritarian's dreams as you crudely said. graham4anything Mar 2013 #18
There are two sides to this, moral and political. DanTex Mar 2013 #48
Guns cost society much much more marions ghost Mar 2013 #50
I bought a new car two weeks ago and - guess what! - the state is now requiring me to register and apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #20
No, it's not a false analogy. I purchased an item the state has determined needs to be kept track of apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #22
How common actually is it to have a truck that is "kept on the farm" ??? ellisonz Mar 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #24
okay - so you agree that it's not the norm and that for the most part people don't do this? ellisonz Mar 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #26
You have to register a car to use it on public roads. b_in_AK Mar 2013 #27
Now you shift the goalposts. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #29
Yes, you did move the goalposts and followed the so-moving up with more meaningless jazz: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #32
Your concession, of sorts, is duly noted. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #34
Except, it's not a "thought": it's been proven. The reason you chose not to reply to #31 apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #39
Sure you did. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #41
The FULL QUOTE please, not your dishonest parsing of it: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Mar 2013 #37
You start to catch on! I knew you could do it! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #38
By-the-bye, for those keeping count: "But I will finish with this response," Nutmeg Yankee, #32. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #40
He saw the best bet in this lop-sided "debate" he was losing was to self-delete and Run! Run! Run! apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #43
I've blocked this poster. ellisonz Mar 2013 #44
+1000. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #53
No, it's not. This is 2013, not 1913. Post links, please, proving the following assertions: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #42
Since felons cannot be compelled to register their guns GoldenEagle16 Mar 2013 #30
^^^^ ellisonz Mar 2013 #45
Don't put him on ignore or you'll never be on his jury. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #46
Rather he's been blocked from the group ellisonz Mar 2013 #47
Good. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #51
Our goal is to not have that happen here... ellisonz Mar 2013 #52
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