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AtheistCrusader

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13. I don't see anyone taking that position. Link?
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 02:43 PM
Aug 2014

I see people who examine the claim that god intervened on his behalf, to his benefit, and then subsequently want to know, what did the (updated 30 seconds ago) other 1,427 people who (we know so far who have) died do (if anything) to not warrant such intervention.

It's an 'IF/THEN' proposition.

It's the same dichotomy that upsets many or most non-believers, when a tornado chews a half-mile wide swath of death and destruction through an inhabited area, and one house more or less in the path seems improbably spared, people 'thank god' for being spared. Well, what did the other folks do to deserve the brunt of the whirlwind then? It seems the logical conclusion/next question in the chain. One possible answer, assuming that a god exists, is that god is not actually responsible for the safety of that house, nor the initiation of the whirlwind at all. So one might even assume that some believers would look at that 'god saved us' claim with a negative opinion, because it could ascribe responsibility for the destruction that did occur, to their reference frame of 'god', who they do not believe to be responsible for that destruction at all.

As an atheist, when I am presented with a datapoint (a 'thanks' to god in this case) I immediately examine it in context. Which must needs raise the question; If he warranted divine intervention, why didn't the 1,427 others, and further, does that mean god reached in and salvaged this man from a death not of his responsibility (meaning god did nothing to cause the infection of Ebola in this case) or does that mean god is actively spreading Ebola, but allowed this one to survive what would have otherwise been a deliberate death. And what would either outcome imply or mean about our understanding of the nature and purposes of god?

If-Then.

I don't believe that is 'being small' when considering that sort of thing. You might say, it's my substitute for religion, not having religion.
I feel this is a safe contribution to this safe haven, because I am not criticizing his faith, I am defending mine, from your attack, so to speak. Just as not all people of religious faith believe in intercessory prayer, so too do all atheists not necessarily automatically perform the sort of analysis I described above. But a lot of us do. It is our nature. Just as a lot of religious people, by nature, do believe in the potential of intercessory prayer. And others do not.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Trajan Aug 2014 #1
Yes of course we go to our doctors. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Do you have these outbursts of ignorant nonsense frequently? okasha Aug 2014 #3
um ... NOT true Trajan Aug 2014 #5
Small sects, and a handful of individuals. okasha Aug 2014 #8
The SOP of the interfaith does not allow questioning people's faith or non-faith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Trajan Aug 2014 #6
I think it would be a good idea to self delete. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7
Just so people know he did not only credit God. He credited his doctors as well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9
IIRC, Trajan was deified by the Senate. rug Aug 2014 #10
The fact that he gave thanks in a religious way seems to absolutely infuriate cbayer Aug 2014 #11
Only measurable in microns. okasha Aug 2014 #12
I don't see anyone taking that position. Link? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #13
"Fuck you Kent." rug Aug 2014 #15
I wish more compassion was shown to the man instead of mocking him. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #16
It's a new low, using ebola to disprove god. rug Aug 2014 #17
Yeah! I am sure a few will look back at that with a bit of regret. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #18
Oh, but one poster was "hesitant to criticize. " okasha Aug 2014 #19
An impolite simplification of the dichotomy I just described. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #22
If I may, I'd like to elaborate on my previous post. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #23
I appreciate the thought you put in to this poat and appreciate its intent. rug Aug 2014 #34
I believe I read one or two call it religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #36
First, I really wish you would not follow me into this group. cbayer Aug 2014 #20
That last paragraph is interesting el_bryanto Aug 2014 #47
It's so predictable as to be funny if I'm in the right mood. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #14
I also find it funny most of the time, but sometimes it so toxic that I cbayer Aug 2014 #21
3-4 leave... msanthrope Aug 2014 #24
Hmm.... I either need to back up or put some people on ignore. cbayer Aug 2014 #26
Glad you didn't get a hide. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #27
Me too. I am generally more careful than this, and my intent was misinterpreted. cbayer Aug 2014 #28
lol. I decided when I have an idea that migyt be mets I will contact you to talk me out of it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #29
Of course we are being watched. One might even make the case for something beyond cbayer Aug 2014 #30
I think you do just fine here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #31
I think you can trust your own judgement, justin. cbayer Aug 2014 #32
I am glad your doing well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #33
Where in Italy are you? Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #51
I am in Sabina, about an hour out of rome. cbayer Aug 2014 #52
Yes, my wife and I spent much of August in our Umbrian flat Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #53
Yes, it is the area where the rapes took place. cbayer Aug 2014 #54
Assisi is one of the foremost tourist destinations in Europe Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #56
Hopefully we will both have the good fortune to be here next year. cbayer Aug 2014 #57
I say we start about a half dozen threads whining about alert trolling a safe haven. rug Aug 2014 #35
At this point I no longer believe when were are told in religion or AA that Interfaith is not being hrmjustin Aug 2014 #37
Color me an unbeliever as well. rug Aug 2014 #38
I am sorry that it has g8tten to it and at times I have not helped. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #39
You cannot discuss anyththing - any thing - with someone with no interest but agreement. rug Aug 2014 #40
And if you defend yourself you are judt showing your religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #41
Name calling is mucher easier than formulating an argument. rug Aug 2014 #42
Sad but true. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #43
And a few more about how posting in a safe haven okasha Aug 2014 #44
Yes! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #45
That is regrettable, but people learn, even if jury by jury. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #48
Good luck to you, Ensign Redshirt. okasha Aug 2014 #49
A noble effort. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #55
kick. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #25
An interesting take. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #46
kick hrmjustin Aug 2014 #50
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