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pampango

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56. There will always be rationing of some sort - by ability to pay, by government budgets that

Thu Mar 12, 2020, 10:38 AM

Mar 2020

require some kind of screening before certain medical services are provided.

There is 'screening' in Medicare now. Us old folks don't get to have the government pay for anything and everything that we want. 'Screening' ain't going away. You will never be able to go to any doctor/specialist and receive any medicine you want for free.

If Medicare is good enough for old people and the disabled, it should be good enough for others. And if we come up with a better health care system for younger people, us oldsters are going to want in on that too.

He will never be able overcome those optics...

I could not care less. I was not looking at this as a 'my candidate' vs 'your candidate' discussion. Bernie is going to lose but some of his ideas may survive and prosper in the future. If that is all that matters to you, congratulations. You win!

M4A has popular support but it will not happen in my lifetime. Conservatives and 'moderates' will water them down or kill them outright. It will take a long time but we will get to a 'European' (or 'FDR') style society - strong unions, great infrastructure, an effective safety net and a more equitable distribution of income - one day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Bluntly, the policy differences between Biden and Sanders simply don't matter [View all] Recursion Mar 2020 OP

And much more liberal than Joe Manchin and Doug Jones -- and we need them, too. n/t pnwmom Mar 2020 #1

Unfortunately I'm assuming Jones won't be returning Recursion Mar 2020 #2

We're trying to get Roy Moore to endorse Tommy Tuberville. House of Roberts Mar 2020 #15

I don't get what the "movement" and "revolution" stuff is about. betsuni Mar 2020 #3

sander's pie-in-the-sky free giveaways and thats about it beachbumbob Mar 2020 #5

What Europeans have is not 'pie in the sky free giveaways' though that is what Trump pampango Mar 2020 #10

US is not Europe beachbumbob Mar 2020 #12

It sure as hell isn't. You are right about that. pampango Mar 2020 #20

so why do we have lines of people coming to america if its so bad? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #21

Do you seriously not know the answer to that question? pampango Mar 2020 #23

I never buy into the bullshit that we have it bad here. We have lots to improve on but that beachbumbob Mar 2020 #24

We have crumbling infrastructure, inadequate health care, terrible income inequality, weak unions. pampango Mar 2020 #26

right, and nobody is trying to get into Europe or Canada, or... Kali Mar 2020 #54

One cannot apply a policy that works in a country of 5 million NYMinute Mar 2020 #17

Germany is 83 million. The EU is 500 million. pampango Mar 2020 #22

Germany doesn't have all the things Bernie wants NYMinute Mar 2020 #30

What exactly do they lack? I'll take their level of income equality, infrastructure and health care. pampango Mar 2020 #40

Germany's health care system is much like ours NYMinute Mar 2020 #43

Fair enough. What about their infrastructure, income equality, strong unions, climate pampango Mar 2020 #45

Rx for the country Midnightwalk Mar 2020 #65

There's lot more that separates us from Germany than just health care and prescriptions. pampango Mar 2020 #68

Italy is now letting the old die...rationing health care and the UK is coming up with their own Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #44

Medicare for some is bad? Or Medicare for all is bad? n/t pampango Mar 2020 #46

The rationing is bad and Sanders plan is now doomed. He will never be able overcome those optics... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #49

There will always be rationing of some sort - by ability to pay, by government budgets that pampango Mar 2020 #56

Sorry Sanders does't bet to inflict a bad health care plan on this country...obviously it is Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #63

Covid overwhelming icus is different Midnightwalk Mar 2020 #59

I prefer a 21st century plan that begins with the ACA and a public option...I also want more Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #62

Even Yang's UBI (universal basic income) idea is more realistic than the rotten pie Bernie proposes onetexan Mar 2020 #38

It's not about policy. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #6

True, not about policy. No matter how often they say it is. betsuni Mar 2020 #14

Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #32

LOL looks like Ebinezer Scrooge onetexan Mar 2020 #39

When leader worship is called a "people's movement" dalton99a Mar 2020 #47

Yeah that's it. We don't care about policy (though Bernie is criticized here for his pie-in-the-sky pampango Mar 2020 #48

I prefer the term cult of personality HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #50

There is certainly a contrast between a focus on issues and on personality. n/t pampango Mar 2020 #57

You would encourage Bernie to drop out if you cared about policy. Renew Deal Mar 2020 #60

Bernie dropping out on March 18 rather than March 12 is not helping Trump. pampango Mar 2020 #66

Willingness to embrace focus on every issue through the lens of eminent Magoo48 Mar 2020 #11

President Carter installed solar panels on the White House and told people to conserve energy. betsuni Mar 2020 #13

Sadly, in light of what the world is now facing what you mention is irrelevant. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #16

Why is Bernie better and Biden "too friendly with the corporate problem"? betsuni Mar 2020 #18

Come on with the talking points. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #25

And? Recursion Mar 2020 #28

Let's politely disagree. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #29

You know most average people either work for corporations NYMinute Mar 2020 #33

To the best of my ability, I avoid or limit consumption of corporate commodities. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #37

Oh come on NYMinute Mar 2020 #42

Like Maya Angelou said, " when we know better, we do better." Magoo48 Mar 2020 #72

Talking points: corporate-conservatives, moderate, we the people, corpropolitical greed betsuni Mar 2020 #31

And none of those with an iota of foundation NYMinute Mar 2020 #34

We entertain different views of the world and future scenarios. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #35

Well judging by Sander's catastrophic multiple losses...this world view isn't popular with voters. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #53

It's regrettable so far, but there's time. Magoo48 Mar 2020 #71

oh sure he had opposition to corporate greed, but where were his ideas to combat it? onetexan Mar 2020 #41

The Virus is killing people now and as I pointed out UK is looking to ration care...the Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #51

Very true rpannier Mar 2020 #4

And giving in to them treestar Mar 2020 #7

Of course they do. DanTex Mar 2020 #8

And if these 2 get sick, we'll be stuck with Tulsi Gabbard IronLionZion Mar 2020 #9

Those policy differences were minuscule to begin with NYMinute Mar 2020 #19

Some posters refer to Sanders' policy ideas as "pie-in-the-sky" which they do not use for Biden's. pampango Mar 2020 #27

Biden has rational plans with numbers...unlike Sanders who won't say what the numbers are. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #52

How does Bernie pay for his major plans: pampango Mar 2020 #58

Ok...that is not a plan...but a fantasy. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #64

It's because Biden's plans are more realistic and more likely to make it through Congress. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #55

There is support for single-payer, M4A has popular support. Should we not promote pampango Mar 2020 #61

Corona has killed Medicare for all..wait until the pics of older people gasping for air as they die Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #67

I am glad you think so but I will wait for polls to bear out your opinion. pampango Mar 2020 #69

I don't need polls to tell me we can do better. But then I was never much of a fan... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #70

If, inshallah, we take the Senate and WH, Pelosi has the initiative Recursion Mar 2020 #74

Ultimately, you're right. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #36

Nonsense. Hasn't electing a bunch of RW extremist incompetents Hortensis Mar 2020 #73