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164. Wait ..what's wrong with being "wise"? Being wise is an important trait. People go seek the advice of wise people...

Reply to msongs (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 19, 2024, 12:16 AM

Dec 19

And having a newer, different pov; there's something to be said for that, too.

It has to be, imho, nuanced out, I guess. Can we blend certain aspects? Can we pick some of this, and some of that; understanding that sometimes that doesn't work. Sometimes we can't blend some things together.

Whichever poster called themselves a "pragmatic progressive"...

I read that Progressivism wants (if i got it correctly) massive change more quickly in a Liberal direction, wherein Liberals will aceede to more gradual change.
(Socialists, and Communists want massive change, too, but in further directions. To be clear I admire the Nordic Countries Democratic Socialism)

A U2 lyric from "The Fly":
"There’s alot of things, if I could I'd rearrange."
So, yeah, if I could *snap my fingers*, and have the most liberal policies being actualized right now? Yeah, I would!

But being "being pragmatic" knowing we can't get all of that right now? I'll take the most we can get!.

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I am appalled at the ageist comments I am reading. [View all] sheshe2 Dec 18 OP

I agree Meowmee Dec 18 #1

I just saw a post where a duer ranted against president Biden calling him OLD !!! What the HELL Trueblue1968 Dec 18 #100

Yes, I agree, sad to see this but I have seen similar things before now as well... Meowmee Dec 18 #148

I am a senior citizen malaise Dec 18 #2

I am a senior citizen too. sheshe2 Dec 18 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 18 #12

If a majority of younger people had voted viva la Dec 18 #14

You are 100% correct. sheshe2 Dec 18 #49

No BonnieJW Dec 18 #72

So at 18 years of age..... SergeStorms Dec 18 #92

i don't think anyone here said that an 18 yr old should "take the reins of power" orleans Dec 18 #144

Bullshit. B.See Dec 18 #138

And if they don't vote they will never have the representation they seek. sheshe2 Dec 18 #143

Well, I'm not sure how to fix that. viva la Dec 18 #149

I've voted in every election since I was eligible mcar Dec 19 #226

Another way of saying that is Bluetus Dec 25 #276

Precisely, Viva. B.See Dec 18 #131

This. mcar Dec 19 #225

Years and years of hard work is what made us capable. sheshe2 Dec 18 #16

Sorry malaise Dec 18 #27

LOL. sheshe2 Dec 18 #40

I have to laugh. viva la Dec 18 #154

Both generations can learn from each other malaise Dec 19 #193

I got my first computer in 1984. viva la Dec 19 #227

Agree. Bought the first Mac available to use in my work. spooky3 Dec 19 #255

Keep on ridiculing them malaise Dec 19 #187

Who is ridiculing whom? viva la Dec 19 #237

We did just that, didn't we? Hekate Dec 18 #157

Thus has it ever been, slightlv Dec 18 #24

Isn't that the way of the world? COL Mustard Dec 18 #25

Not truth, but a very old bumper sticker. woven Dec 18 #62

Welcome to DU! spooky3 Dec 18 #68

ty woven Dec 18 #78

Then, I'm glad you now are posting! nt spooky3 Dec 18 #80

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Dec 19 #270

No, Asa. Most will have to live B.See Dec 18 #130

When I'm younger and want your job Progressive dog Dec 18 #67

I believe that's the point, the proven results. Think. Again. Dec 19 #182

Maybe not take over BonnieJW Dec 18 #71

They are already in. sheshe2 Dec 18 #117

"Seniority" is an artificial construct that can be ignored. Renew Deal Dec 18 #126

Examples please. sheshe2 Dec 19 #172

There's the problem, isn't it? "She needs to serve her time". Why? muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #181

Wasn't there a vote? I think it's a matter of not convincing her colleagues to vote for her. jimfields33 Dec 19 #190

There was a vote, so it was the Dem reps' opinion that decided. But I'd hope they didn't base that on muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #191

That's a very "hey kids, get off the grass" way of looking it Renew Deal Dec 18 #124

You know, at some point, if you want it bad enough-- viva la Dec 19 #240

Results are crap right now. Takeover needed by new Democrats. Lucky Luciano Dec 18 #125

It's not so much age, but whether you can pass specific tests. Like for instance RoeVWade Dec 19 #222

They don't want our advice. SergeStorms Dec 18 #89

Can you blame them. malaise Dec 19 #186

I have never been able to buy a house or condo. LisaM Dec 25 #274

What does that even mean? Happy Hoosier Dec 19 #217

You do know what AOC is doing now? Captain Zero Dec 26 #278

Yep, guess all we're good for is the trash. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #3

I guess some think we should be put out to pasture. sheshe2 Dec 18 #9

Or set adrift on an ice floe Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #38

Maybe...but with climate change there won't be any ice left. sheshe2 Dec 18 #52

M a y b e that's the unspoken intention. Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #56

Yes you do JustAnotherGen Dec 18 #115

I am a boomer, age 75. I recently commented wnylib Dec 19 #233

You should be at home raising your grandkids. S Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #41

Please don't rat me out to Eloon.... greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #108

Well Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #114

Poor babies will go hungry if they have to depend on that. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #118

Or Beardo SheltieLover Dec 18 #127

Him too. greatauntoftriplets Dec 18 #140

And where have we heard that before? radical noodle Dec 18 #133

My point Keepthesoulalive Dec 18 #155

I agree with you, SheShe SheltieLover Dec 18 #4

Great analogy, SheltieLover. sheshe2 Dec 18 #19

Ty, She! SheltieLover Dec 18 #121

Thats Sheltie! kozar Dec 18 #32

Hi Koz SheltieLover Dec 18 #120

Why was Biden being bashed at the Verizon store? BannonsLiver Dec 18 #81

I think its more about people who cannot give up power nt msongs Dec 18 #5

Yes, absolutely. Celerity Dec 18 #10

Absolutely not. sheshe2 Dec 18 #20

disagree nt Celerity Dec 18 #86

As do I with you. nt sheshe2 Dec 18 #90

Exactly.. Absolutely NOT. That's so insulting. Cha Dec 18 #94

100% Spot on Celerity SunImp Dec 18 #161

+1 leftstreet Dec 18 #129

But the caucus voted. It wasn't up to the candidates to decide spooky3 Dec 19 #257

I assume this is about AOC Trenzalore Dec 18 #6

Partially, however the comments went way beyond politics. sheshe2 Dec 18 #13

Generations are always at odds Trenzalore Dec 18 #17

AOC may be claudette Dec 18 #46

I think experience may be overrated right now Trenzalore Dec 18 #58

May be but claudette Dec 18 #109

That is a matter of opinion Trenzalore Dec 18 #116

AOC well deserved the chair, as her brand of progressive populism is the key to the Democratic Party's future success!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #83

However claudette Dec 18 #110

Whatever will help the democratic party become a majority party in 2027 should take precedence Trenzalore Dec 19 #185

Hold on claudette Dec 19 #197

Obama had just started his first term as a federal senator questionseverything Dec 19 #205

Oh please claudette Dec 19 #210

Not a tenth as intelligent? That's bs and insulting to all women questionseverything Dec 19 #214

Every candidate that ran in 2008 had more experience than President Obama Trenzalore Dec 19 #224

Inexperienced in doing what exactly? ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #254

The Speaker Emerita is still a serving member of Congress, newly re-elected. She didn't quit the job... Hekate Dec 19 #162

That is my point Trenzalore Dec 19 #175

Her constituents wanted her to continue. Nt spooky3 Dec 19 #258

When you were the leader Trenzalore Dec 19 #264

That is why constituents are given a vote. If they agreed with you, spooky3 Dec 19 #267

Yeah, AOC not getting that ranking member post is not the end of the world. Even if it wasn't... brush Dec 18 #7

I agree... slightlv Dec 18 #29

Exactly! claudette Dec 18 #48

Nonsense, we need the best person for every job. Think. Again. Dec 19 #184

Sorry claudette Dec 19 #196

That's weird, I didn't say she was mine either. Think. Again. Dec 19 #245

So, when she's 70 or 80? Bettie Dec 18 #76

Be fair. She's 35. Stop exagerating. There are Dems in their late 30s... brush Dec 18 #139

Let's put it this way. Would you want relatively new hire to leapfrog over you... brush Dec 19 #242

exactly--she has not paid her dues cadoman Dec 19 #216

She sided with "the public"? displacedvermoter Dec 19 #251

It is bigotry and a disgusting look for a Democrat. brer cat Dec 18 #11

mature and wise is no guarantee of best and most capable nt msongs Dec 18 #15

Nor is being young a guarantee of best and most capable. sheshe2 Dec 18 #22

Excellent Response.. TY! Cha Dec 18 #35

Wait ..what's wrong with being "wise"? Being wise is an important trait. People go seek the advice of wise people... electric_blue68 Dec 19 #164

Nor is young and smart Iris Dec 25 #275

The Party, including a number of the folks who voted displacedvermoter Dec 18 #37

Some might say that she needs to exhibit patience, achieve things with what she does have Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #45

She's still a claudette Dec 18 #50

Please do share how AOC acts like 'a newbie' at this point. Celerity Dec 18 #136

I would have agreed with that remark 4 or 5 years ago. NH Ethylene Dec 19 #168

Sorry claudette Dec 19 #198

Non responsive to my specific question. Your opinion is not evidence. Celerity Dec 19 #202

Describe how she acts ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #253

She was one of 80 year old Joe Biden's most displacedvermoter Dec 18 #57

The Democratic caucus did not agree. Seeking Serenity Dec 18 #65

I don't know what you are saying, really displacedvermoter Dec 18 #79

This is what ultimately won me over. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #73

Some say... Cirsium Dec 18 #84

It's not their age that's is the problem ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #250

Many will see bigotry, because of the seeming hypocrisy and not choosing a woman, a Hispanic woman at that. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 18 #96

Congressman Connolly may well be dying of cancer. displacedvermoter Dec 18 #102

"may well be dying" Mossfern Dec 19 #228

I have no idea how cognitively impaired he is. displacedvermoter Dec 19 #230

So we are to say nothing as we watch TSF in decline this next four years? Sneederbunk Dec 18 #18

Where are you reading that? sheshe2 Dec 18 #23

Ffs it's about new ideas, new ways, new techniques Arazi Dec 18 #21

Excellent take!! AOC's progressive ideas are EXACTLY those that will resonate with the American populace!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #111

A lot of it should be mentoring LogDog75 Dec 19 #265

Mahalo, she.. as you say the Trashing is "way beyond policy".. Cha Dec 18 #26

You are right Cha, the focus now is the shutdown. sheshe2 Dec 18 #36

Yes Fucking nazi lover Fascist POS Muskhead Cha Dec 18 #64

Musk bought the 'residency. sheshe2 Dec 18 #107

Yes, musk bought the WH for TSF with Million$ Cha Dec 18 #122

PS I just read This by Josh Marshall on TSF & musk... Cha Dec 18 #135

That is frightening, isn't it. sheshe2 Dec 18 #142

I know .. I can't even, either. And I know it's asking a Lot Cha Dec 18 #150

Aloha, Cha, & Mahalo SheltieLover Dec 18 #141

Aloha Sheltie! Cha Dec 18 #146

K&R LW1977 Dec 18 #28

There's a thing called provocation OP ThePartyThatListens Dec 18 #30

Refusing to learn what, exactly? Hekate Dec 19 #165

The lessons of November 2024 ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #177

The election lessons are that Trump was elected based on Nixie Dec 19 #200

So now we are looking to Republicans reactions to our party, Emile Dec 19 #203

My comment was about the election results. Nixie Dec 19 #207

I don't think we should be using Republican reactions to AOC Emile Dec 19 #211

Trump is a con man. I'll make that easy for you since Nixie Dec 19 #236

Well shit everyone knows that. That's a strawman Emile Dec 19 #246

No kidding. That's why I brought up the article in which he is pushing AOC to lead Democrats. Nixie Dec 19 #260

Of course he's a con man. I said that back Emile Dec 19 #262

Which is what I was saying. A Republican con man wants AOC to keep trying to lead Democrats, so Nixie Dec 19 #263

Try to learn... ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #231

Yawn. Some rando on the internet. Nixie Dec 19 #235

Thanks for posting. Emile Dec 19 #247

Yes bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #31

Me too. leftieNanner Dec 18 #33

I'm old and I'm not. Crunchy Frog Dec 18 #34

Guess I have no f'in idea what your talking about. Perhaps give a couple examples? erronis Dec 18 #39

Me neither... besides, ironically, Bernie has been unfairly criticized over his age by some practically nonstop. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #95

Yes, but apparently some here say it's only Pelosi and others being criticized for their age SunImp Dec 18 #160

Yes, it's not only Pelosi and that form of criticism is not fair to her either... or to AOC for her relative youth. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 19 #170

I believe this thread is an absolutely perfect example of why the Democratic party needs fresh voices. Think. Again. Dec 18 #42

Fuckin A. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #77

30 is the cut-off age. Tarzanrock Dec 18 #43

I've never had any personal delusions about my usefulness. Aussie105 Dec 18 #44

A Similar Thread will appear in 20 years! BOSSHOG Dec 18 #47

Its a generational change. kozar Dec 18 #51

Amen and amen n/t Lulu KC Dec 18 #53

Question for anyone: I'd be interested to hear the plan for connecting with young voters Orrex Dec 18 #54

David Hogg, Taylor Swift and Victor Shi... sheshe2 Dec 18 #69

But what is the party doing, and how does picking Connolly over AOC further that strategy? Orrex Dec 18 #75

I don't get it either. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #93

How many of our experienced leaders do we have to kick to the curb before we "inspire young voters to go to the polls?" W_HAMILTON Dec 19 #176

A few things Orrex Dec 19 #192

Pelois was the most powerful Democrat in the House. Hoyer was the second. Clyburn was the third. W_HAMILTON Dec 22 #273

Hey, try being a well-to-do, 65+ white male around here, we don't get no respect! Abolishinist Dec 18 #55

Yes, agree. Also this BS about how Dems are losing people over not giving AOC a ranking LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #59

How so? Xoan Dec 18 #85

the vast majority of voters have no clue who the ranking member is and this ranking member LymphocyteLover Dec 19 #206

Politically? Renew Deal Dec 18 #60

I too am appalled at the agism quakerboy Dec 18 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 19 #194

Paging Bob Dylan GusBob Dec 18 #63

Here you go Cirsium Dec 18 #88

Before my time but there is another verse, I think GusBob Dec 18 #105

There was a time Codifer Dec 18 #66

Absolutely agree with this. The ageist comments are disgusting. Akacia Dec 18 #70

There is no place for ageism... and that should include insensitive ageist comments hurled at Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #104

Yeah, I remember the " No more old white men" phrase that was all the rage during the 2016 primary, here on DU. jalan48 Dec 18 #123

and the PUMA racism in 2008. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 19 #189

What age does AOC become useful? Emile Dec 18 #74

AOC, right now, is the leading progressive populist in our party after Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #87

Not all people who were useful in the past are useful in the future. RockRaven Dec 18 #82

I'm appalled at the bigoted comments I am reading SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #91

Not credible Cirsium Dec 18 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #98

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Dec 18 #119

+1 leftstreet Dec 18 #134

Not the first thread on this topic & probably not the last SunImp Dec 19 #163

when fascism is on the line, MAYBE Skittles Dec 18 #99

I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion, but you are SO right!!!!! DFW Dec 18 #101

Do you think you could do all of that while taking chemotherapy? questionseverything Dec 19 #213

If I'm ambulatory and not in pain, sure. DFW Dec 19 #243

I'm 70 canetoad Dec 18 #103

I'm 76. Tanned, rested and ready. usonian Dec 18 #106

Where do you file? sheshe2 Dec 18 #112

Luckily for everyone here, H2O Man Dec 18 #113

Yes, connelly is a millionaire and takes alot of different moneys i am not comfortable with questionseverything Dec 19 #208

Sheshe, you are 100% right! Look at Bernie's age--it's given Nixie Dec 18 #128

Rec! Mahalo, Nixie! Cha Dec 18 #153

Wrong, we see the same people crying about Bernie's age all the time by the same people SunImp Dec 18 #158

Don't accuse the DU member of "lying".. I haven't seen anyone Cha Dec 19 #178

What a joke. Try and be consistent and call for Bernie to move Nixie Dec 19 #188

"Look at Bernie's age--it's given a pass" SunImp Dec 19 #219

Those are not pile on threads. One was my post. Juxtaposing Nixie Dec 19 #238

The very same people. Autumn Dec 19 #234

Agree with you sheshe2 debm55 Dec 18 #132

The ageism here is against AOC. Emile Dec 18 #137

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 18 #159

Elizabeth Warren onenote Dec 18 #145

Connolly's cancer diagnosis was only announced after the election muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #183

What is your experience with esophageal cancer? onenote Dec 19 #244

Me too, for a family member, who was deemed too old and with complications muriel_volestrangler Dec 19 #252

Biden did a great job as president doc03 Dec 18 #147

I'm just gobsmacked by some of the posts I've seen on this subject radical noodle Dec 18 #151

Thank you, radical noodle Hekate Dec 18 #156

Thank you, all true betsuni Dec 19 #179

Rec! Well Said, Rad.. Thank You! Cha Dec 19 #180

Great post radical noodle. sheshe2 Dec 19 #239

Hi, She. Gods, remember when we were young? Remember the draft? And Vietnam? Kinda felt like politicians... Hekate Dec 18 #152

Still not all caught up on this thread- but age IMHO- while some generalizations; it's way often an Individual Effect electric_blue68 Dec 19 #166

History goes in cycles. I remember the fight for civil rights. usonian Dec 19 #167

As a senior citizen LogDog75 Dec 19 #169

I agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 19 #171

Yes. sheshe2 Dec 19 #173

If all leadership had age limits, term limits right now -- what's going to change? Nothing. Republicans still there. betsuni Dec 19 #174

Look what was said about President Biden. Patton French Dec 19 #195

What you seem to be saying is that there is a Bettie Dec 19 #199

Still waiting for the OP to answer my question at what age does AOC become useful? Emile Dec 19 #201

Right? Bettie Dec 19 #204

I'm not the OP, but AOC is already useful radical noodle Dec 19 #212

But according to some, she is too young to be ranking member of the House Oversight Committee. Emile Dec 19 #215

I missed seeing anyone saying she's too young radical noodle Dec 19 #218

How many terms in Congress before she is considered experienced? Emile Dec 19 #220

The OP, me, spoke of the multitude of threads with ageist remarks. sheshe2 Dec 19 #248

Sorry to hear you're having car problems. Emile Dec 19 #249

Actually, I don't think it's an issue of age per se Mossfern Dec 19 #266

Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig were replaced when they faced age and illness. Gore1FL Dec 19 #209

Boomers have been holding on to institutional knowledge and power for decades. There's been a stagnation in workplaces, WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #221

Can you give some examples? themaguffin Dec 19 #223

Member when JFK got elected? GreenWave Dec 19 #229

Old here and had conversation just last night with son and said they need to get the younger LizBeth Dec 19 #232

I was so much older then mdmc Dec 19 #241

Some of us forget that it was in part Biden's experience that enabled him spooky3 Dec 19 #256

What makes Connolly a better person to be ranking member on the committee? How does he help the party more than AOC? LonePirate Dec 19 #259

I feel your pain. William769 Dec 19 #261

Hey you. sheshe2 Dec 19 #269

It's not age, it's culture Granny Blue Dec 19 #268

These older ladies get it ThePartyThatListens Dec 21 #271

I don't watch long videos. sheshe2 Dec 21 #272

Reading some of the early posts on this thread, and I was thinking Dan Dec 26 #277

I don't belive that ageism is always clear cut Polybius Dec 26 #279